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Possibility of new TT?? 09/03/2015 at 09:25 #69912
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Are there any plans to make a new timetable to incorporate the newly electrified R&C, MTH - CUB and direct Lanark services as per Decembers timetable changes?

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Possibility of new TT?? 09/03/2015 at 09:45 #69913
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" said:
Are there any plans to make a new timetable to incorporate the newly electrified R&C, MTH - CUB and direct Lanark services as per Decembers timetable changes?

Kind Regards

Craig
Would need a sim update to put the electrification in first.

"Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is a nobler art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of nonessentials." - Lin Yutang (10/10/1895 – 26/03/1976), Chinese writer, translator, linguist, philosopher and inventor.
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Possibility of new TT?? 10/03/2015 at 06:48 #69926
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It it were a simple matter of adding the wires then that could probably be done in an evening or two but I also need to remodel Newton Jn (again) which will take a bit of time.

What someone can do, if they were so minded, is write the timetable with the EMU classes temporarily coded as electro-diesel which can be reverted when the thing's updated. I've worked out how to get the raw timetable data from NR's CIF open-data feed but it'd need to then be knocked into shape which is a bit of a fiddle I think but easier than starting from scratch.

By Knocked into shape:

  • All goods trains are anonamysed so need TDs added from the WTT pdf.

  • Train lengths need to be established

  • Joins/slits and next working need to be coded

  • Rules added



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Possibility of new TT?? 10/03/2015 at 10:45 #69927
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Motherwell takes ages to edit out from a CIF file - no trains have entry points and each has to be edited to enter the sim as well as have the corresponding line deleted from its individual timetable to prevent errors


When you run CIF data into Motherwell there are a few TIPLOC issues

2Rxx/2Sxx trains between Motherwell via Wishaw have a missing location between Whifflet Sth Jcn & Mossend Nth Jcn

The XML file for these services have the following TIPLOCS in the service path

Up Direction

<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>WHIFLTS</locationID>
<departureTime>20:58:00</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>
<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSENXT</locationID>
<departureTime>20:59:00</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>

<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSENDN</locationID>
<departureTime>21:00:30</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>

Down Direction

<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSENDN</locationID>
<departureTime>15:25:30</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
<pathingAllowance>01:00</pathingAllowance>
</scheduleLocation>
<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSENXT</locationID>
<departureTime>15:27:30</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>

<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>WHIFLTS</locationID>
<departureTime>15:28:30</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>

Up Direction Freight path

<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>WHIFLTS</locationID>
<departureTime>19:33:00</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>
<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSENXT</locationID>
<departureTime>19:36:00</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>

<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSEUPY</locationID>
<arrivalTime>19:38:00</arrivalTime>
<departureTime>19:40:00</departureTime>
<activity>
<crewChange>true</crewChange>
</activity>
</scheduleLocation>

Down Direction Freight Path

<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSENDN</locationID>
<departureTime>01:02:30</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>
<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSEDGL</locationID>
<arrivalTime>01:05:30</arrivalTime>
<departureTime>01:07:30</departureTime>
<activity>
<crewChange>true</crewChange>
</activity>
</scheduleLocation>
[color=#0000bb]<scheduleLocation>

<locationID>MOSENXT</locationID>
<departureTime>01:10:30</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>[/color]
<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>WHIFLTS</locationID>
<departureTime>01:15:00</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>

In the case of the down freight path both MOSEDGL & MOSENXT are missing the service ends at Mossend Nth Jcn and restarts at Whifflet Sth Jcn - I would assume that MOSENXT should be the next location to Whifflet Sth Jcn

Hope this helps a little

Last edited: 10/03/2015 at 13:19 by Meld
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Possibility of new TT?? 11/03/2015 at 09:36 #69949
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" said:
Motherwell takes ages to edit out from a CIF file - no trains have entry points and each has to be edited to enter the sim as well as have the corresponding line deleted from its individual timetable to prevent errors
I've never had that problem and am happy (within reason) to provide the starter for 10 file.

" said:

When you run CIF data into Motherwell there are a few TIPLOC issues

2Rxx/2Sxx trains between Motherwell via Wishaw have a missing location between Whifflet Sth Jcn & Mossend Nth Jcn

The XML file for these services have the following TIPLOCS in the service path

Up Direction

<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>WHIFLTS</locationID>
<departureTime>20:58:00</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>
<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSENXT</locationID>
<departureTime>20:59:00</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>

<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSENDN</locationID>
<departureTime>21:00:30</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>

Down Direction

<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSENDN</locationID>
<departureTime>15:25:30</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
<pathingAllowance>01:00</pathingAllowance>
</scheduleLocation>
<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSENXT</locationID>
<departureTime>15:27:30</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>

<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>WHIFLTS</locationID>
<departureTime>15:28:30</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>

Up Direction Freight path

<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>WHIFLTS</locationID>
<departureTime>19:33:00</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>
<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSENXT</locationID>
<departureTime>19:36:00</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>

<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSEUPY</locationID>
<arrivalTime>19:38:00</arrivalTime>
<departureTime>19:40:00</departureTime>
<activity>
<crewChange>true</crewChange>
</activity>
</scheduleLocation>

Down Direction Freight Path

<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSENDN</locationID>
<departureTime>01:02:30</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>
<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>MOSEDGL</locationID>
<arrivalTime>01:05:30</arrivalTime>
<departureTime>01:07:30</departureTime>
<activity>
<crewChange>true</crewChange>
</activity>
</scheduleLocation>
[color=#0000bb]<scheduleLocation>

<locationID>MOSENXT</locationID>
<departureTime>01:10:30</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>[/color]
<scheduleLocation>
<locationID>WHIFLTS</locationID>
<departureTime>01:15:00</departureTime>
<passingTime>true</passingTime>
</scheduleLocation>

In the case of the down freight path both MOSEDGL & MOSENXT are missing the service ends at Mossend Nth Jcn and restarts at Whifflet Sth Jcn - I would assume that MOSENXT should be the next location to Whifflet Sth Jcn

Hope this helps a little

Provided they don't have to be "Key locations" then adding them should be simplicity itself, provided I know where they should be. Key locations and ARS is more problematic, particularly in the Mossend area.

Peter

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Possibility of new TT?? 11/03/2015 at 10:39 #69950
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Peter thanks for the reply, I've attached a copy of an imported timetable created from xml for yesterday, as soon as you open a service entering at Gretna for example - you see that you get a headcode followed by a blank entry point with no time, then in the service list you see the Gretna Jcn entry time.

While on the subject of Gretna is there a way of regulating the trains that use Quintinshill down loop ? as they all enter at Gretna and run straight through without calling there - often to the detriment of a faster service behind. I know technically Quintinshill is within Carlisle but does cause a nightmare for regulating

[attachment=3077]Motherwell10032015.wtt[/attachment]

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Possibility of new TT?? 11/03/2015 at 12:42 #69951
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Can we not have an historic timetable for Motherwell and Carstairs. Plenty of scope for loco-hauled trains from the south splitting at Carstairs. I know the signalling would have been mechanical in years gone by but such a timetable would be much more interesting and challenging.
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Possibility of new TT?? 30/04/2015 at 01:27 #71530
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is this timetable going to be fixed as it is unplayable as it is?
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Possibility of new TT?? 30/04/2015 at 06:36 #71532
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It was posted as an example for Peter to illustrate problems when importing from current CIF files - never really intended it to be playable - however if someone wants to make it playable, then thats fine by me. Time constraints and other projects prevent me from taking this any further in the forseeable future

However heres a little something I've been working on over the last year if you fancy a change
[attachment=3169]Motherwell25thMarch2014v2.4.8.wtt[/attachment]

Supplied as is, I am unable to offer any support on this timetable as it is not an 'official' release

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Possibility of new TT?? 30/04/2015 at 20:40 #71552
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Ray,

I am fairly well on with such a timetable (c.1984), but it needs a lot of work on the freight side due to sim changes around Motherwell. As such I decided to park it for a few months. I'd also expect to do a 1993 matching the COW/CSCOT that I have further north.
At present I'm doing a Kings Cross 1964 (but using current operations due to lack of track!)

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Possibility of new TT?? 04/05/2015 at 13:47 #71686
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Meld's TT is quite playable.

On your own you HAVE to have ARS on.

One or two little problems, (Mainly with trains booked to stop at loops arbitrarily deciding to go on strike on the main line at the loop entrance......) but not insurmountable!

You have to keep your wits about you otherwise cheeky little 6 headcodes sneak in front of the expresses if you aren't careful............

A most enjoyable TT - 9/10!!

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Possibility of new TT?? 04/05/2015 at 14:33 #71688
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I look forward to it
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Possibility of new TT?? 04/05/2015 at 15:17 #71689
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Unfortunately we have as yet not been able to get hold of the diagrams, I think Paisley 2015 has stalled for that reason (I must check).

Peter

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Possibility of new TT?? 04/05/2015 at 18:08 #71696
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" said:
Meld's TT is quite playable.

On your own you HAVE to have ARS on.

One or two little problems, (Mainly with trains booked to stop at loops arbitrarily deciding to go on strike on the main line at the loop entrance......) but not insurmountable!

You have to keep your wits about you otherwise cheeky little 6 headcodes sneak in front of the expresses if you aren't careful............

A most enjoyable TT - 9/10!!
Thanks NNR - as you can see by the version number there have been lots of niggles along the way, looked in my old ttdev folder and theres 65 copies of this TT during its development :doh

I would say the TT is about 85% polished off - there may be one or two little niggles towards the end.

Peter - I know Barry has the EMU diagrams for Paisley 2015 its the DMU's I cant get hold of (if anyone could supply a set before the upcoming timetable change it would be appreciated) and maybe one day I'll produce a Scotland 2015 set of timetables.

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Possibility of new TT?? 04/05/2015 at 18:44 #71698
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Peter - I know Barry has the EMU diagrams for Paisley 2015

Excellent!

" said:

its the DMU's I cant get hold of (if anyone could supply a set before the upcoming timetable change it would be appreciated) and maybe one day I'll produce a Scotland 2015 set of timetables.
That would be helpful - have a couple of things to do before I start the further McSim updates.

Thanks

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Possibility of new TT?? 05/05/2015 at 19:49 #71721
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http://www.simsig.co.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena&view=topic&catid=25&id=39554&Itemid=0
I'm not sure what the point of you linking to that is?

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Possibility of new TT?? 05/05/2015 at 20:10 #71722
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Sorry - thought that was the link to the new national TTs.

I'll get my coat...............

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Possibility of new TT?? 05/05/2015 at 20:17 #71723
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Timetable is the easy bit, it's the unit diagrams that are more tricky.

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Possibility of new TT?? 05/05/2015 at 20:26 #71726
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Sorry - thought that was the link to the new national TTs.

I'll get my coat...............
Sorry I thought you thought it was unit diagrams.

John has no issues with getting the timetable data, it's just the unit diagrams we struggle with.

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Possibility of new TT?? 06/05/2015 at 07:12 #71767
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Karl I may be able to get the unit diagrams I will have a look
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Possibility of new TT?? 06/05/2015 at 15:27 #71804
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I've emailed Peter with all that I have. 314/318/320/334/380 and 156/158.

These are for the timetable that is currently in use. DEC 14 - MAY 15. SX & SO

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Possibility of new TT?? 06/05/2015 at 16:34 #71820
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Received - thanks.

Should anyone come across a 170 that should complete the set.

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Possibility of new TT?? 06/05/2015 at 16:44 #71823
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Tomorrow for those.

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Possibility of new TT?? 02/08/2015 at 16:16 #74677
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Evening all. I was just wondering if there is any progress with a New Motherwell or Paisley TT?

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Craig

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