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| Possible bugs? 26/03/2015 at 03:37 #70277 | |
flabberdacks
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Hi, noticed a few things playing the Westbury Commuter Hub TT. Not sure if these are bugs specific to the sim or something with the TT, try to explain as best I can: 1) at Thingley Junction, trains heading towards Chippenham (heading off-sim) request the 70 slot as soon as they are clear behind signal 74. They continue to exit the sim correctly and the request cancels once they're far enough away. 2a) Shell Mex Up Sidings near Newbury - train called to ask permission to enter the sim, I gave it, and then on entering it ran right up to the points and called again "hey the points are set wrong". Do you need to have the ground frame set before allowing the train to enter the sim? In addition to this, operating the ground frame caused the whole sim to freak out, blacking and then re-drawing the entire sim in all open windows. 2b) When the route is set from R484 (Up Westbury at Shell Mex GF) to R828 (Newbury Racecourse), trying to set the next main route from R828 to R830 isn't possible until the train is in the Racecourse platform and the route locking drops away. Gives error 'No overlap available'. Screenshot below: sure looks to me like there's an overlap available?  3) Bradford on Avon signal 186 controls - in previous versions of the sim, 186 won't clear when the 'Stopping' option is selected until a train hits the TRTS at the platform. At the moment it doesn't matter what option is selected, the signal will clear straight away. Is this correct? 4) Westbury North Junction signal 298 is approach controlled from red for what appears to be a 'straight' route into platform 1, even with the crossing clear. I think this might be correct interlocking due to the presence of the crossing, but I thought I might make mention of it - always bugs me when routes are approach controlled unnecessarily. Sets the expectation that the signal will always clear on approach (risk of SPAD onto the crossing). Thanks for any help or guidance! Log in to reply |
| Possible bugs? 26/03/2015 at 20:32 #70325 | |
Stephen Fulcher
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Could you attach the savegame please? Also, what version of the sim do you have? Last edited: 26/03/2015 at 20:34 by Stephen Fulcher Log in to reply |
| Possible bugs? 26/03/2015 at 20:41 #70327 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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Point 3 is a bug, which I will log. Point 4 is working correctly, but was not on the previous release. The control tables for all the signals in that area were checked and a few changes were made by Peter. Log in to reply |
| Possible bugs? 26/03/2015 at 23:34 #70340 | |
Guts
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I get that 2b bug on Feltham. I get it if I set a short ROL route then try to extend it IIRC Log in to reply |
| Possible bugs? 26/03/2015 at 23:45 #70343 | |
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maxand
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Stephen Fulcher wrote: Quote: Point 4 is working correctly, but was not on the previous release. The control tables for all the signals in that area were checked and a few changes were made by Peter.Again I am confused. Are you referring to the latest Commuter Hub.WTT, for which I can see only the one submitted by Bandiez on 27 Feb 2014, or the actual sim itself (not listed in Remository Newest) which appears to be V4.1 submitted 19 Nov 2013 with GeoffM as author? I suspect it's the TT you mean. My Loader version is 4.4, Sim data version 4.3 (from the Help tab after opening the sim). Is this up to date? Log in to reply |
| Possible bugs? 26/03/2015 at 23:49 #70344 | |
headshot119
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" said:Stephen Fulcher wrote:A signal clearing has absolutely nothing to do with the timetable in use, so clearly it's the sim version being referred to. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply The following user said thank you: maxand |
| Possible bugs? 26/03/2015 at 23:56 #70345 | |
Steamer
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" said:Stephen Fulcher wrote:I suspect it's the TT you mean. My Loader version is 4.4, Sim data version 4.3 (from the Help tab after opening the sim). Is this up to date?[/quote] The issue relates to the behaviour of a signal, and as such is to do with the simulation, not the timetable. Although Peter did the updates to Westbury, it must've been Geoff who submitted the installer to the Download area, hence him being credited there as the author. You're up to date, the latest version of Westbury is 4.3 and the Loader just changed to 4.4. EDIT: Headshot posted while I was typing. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 26/03/2015 at 23:56 by Steamer Log in to reply The following user said thank you: maxand |
| Possible bugs? 27/03/2015 at 00:47 #70348 | |
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maxand
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Steamer wrote: Quote: The issue relates to the behaviour of a signal, and as such is to do with the simulation, not the timetable. Although Peter did the updates to Westbury, it must've been Geoff who submitted the installer to the Download area, hence him being credited there as the author. You're up to date, the latest version of Westbury is 4.3 and the Loader just changed to 4.4.So if the behaviour of a signal is to do with the simulation (Sim Data version), and only the Loader has been updated, this implies to me that the Loader has silently updated the sim (I've been simming Westbury 4.3 for a while now), and if there is a v4.4 for Westbury it has not yet appeared on the sim download page, so I need to rely on the Loader update to install the latest version of that sim. Is that correct or am I being too pedantic here? Log in to reply |
| Possible bugs? 27/03/2015 at 02:00 #70350 | |
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Muzer
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The behaviour of a signal is defined by a complex interaction between the sim data itself and the loader, especially where nonstandard or unusual behaviour is involved. When the loader is updated to fix other bugs, sometimes things in sims can inadvertently break (either because the thing in the sim was relying on that bug existing, usually without the developer even realising it (it's easy to accidentally rely on behaviour that is, in fact, not guaranteed), or because the change in the loader unintentionally changed some other behaviour (once again, it's easy to accidentally have code that relies on some specific behaviour of other code without realising it. It's simply one of the problems of programming a large piece of software)).
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| Possible bugs? 27/03/2015 at 04:40 #70351 | |
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flabberdacks
576 posts |
" said:Could you attach the savegame please?Westbury v4.3 Savegame attached - if you pause it immediately on loading, there's a train asking the slot at Thingley and the route unable to be set at Newbury Racecourse straight away. [attachment=3090]thingley.ssg[/attachment] Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| Possible bugs? 27/03/2015 at 08:03 #70353 | |
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Steamer
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" said:Steamer wrote:The version of the Loader you run shouldn't affect things like signal behaviour (generally), and certainly not things like approach control- this will all be specified in the Simulation data. Updating the Loader changes global things (like the recent addition of the clock showing seconds), fixes global bugs and adds functionality that a developer can later exploit, for example overlap selection was included in the new Loader and used in the latest versions of New Street and Saltley. It shouldn't affect things like what routes you can set and how they behave, that's all in the simulation data. In terms of keeping up to date, you'll always be told exactly what you're updating when you click 'Check for Updates'. If you install (for example) 'SimSig Loader V5', it won't also install 'Westbury V5'- if Westbury is being updated at the same time, you'll see a separate item called 'Westbury V5'. The version in the Download page isn't always the latest version, so you should always check for updates after downloading something new. In short: If you don't know if you're running the latest version of anything, click 'check for updates' and you'll either be offered a list of updates or be told you're up to date. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 27/03/2015 at 08:04 by Steamer Log in to reply The following user said thank you: JamesN |
| Possible bugs? 27/03/2015 at 12:16 #70364 | |
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juston33
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I get it if I set a short ROL route then try to extend it IIRC
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| Possible bugs? 12/06/2015 at 12:27 #73171 | |
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GoochyB
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I have found a possible bug that I don't think has been reported before. At Newbury, in the attached save it is not possible to set a route from R861 to R863 (UM to UT through Newbury station), with the sim stating "no overlap available", even though it is clear. If the route from R824 is cancelled (DM to P1) then R861 to R863 can be set (and R824 to P1 can then be re-set). The occupied TC on the exit from P1 is a TCF - this may have some bearing on the setting of R824 if means it is set as a call-on. Sim and loader are latest releases, and it running as Bad Weather (so no TORR) although I can't see that should affect it. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| Possible bugs? 12/06/2015 at 12:37 #73172 | |
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Steamer
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Tested and can confirm the above, also noted a few other oddities:
[li]All that has to be done is to cancel the route from R824- even if you immediately re-set R824- R838, the bug clears itself and routes can be set as normal from R861. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply The following user said thank you: flabberdacks |
| Possible bugs? 13/06/2015 at 22:47 #73306 | |
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Steamer
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Just noticed that the splitting banner repeater for 156 is missing. I think it was present in an earlier version- I'm sure that's where I found out 156 had one. Or am I imagining things? Also, SY72 and SY72R display an aspect. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Possible bugs? 13/06/2015 at 23:47 #73310 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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The banner is not indicated on the panel in reality, so Peter removed it.
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