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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 04/10/2015 at 10:20 #76540
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I read in the manual that it's possible to divert between Hanslope & Hillmorton junctions without the driver questioning the route but I tried diverting 4M42 via Weedon as it was running late but the driver phoned up complaining of wrong route. I told it to "Bypass Hanslope Junction and stick to timetable", it then phoned up again so I told it to bypass Northampton and it then accepted the route and crossed over to the fast line for Weedon. Is this incorrect or have I done something wrong?
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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 04/10/2015 at 10:43 #76542
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Hi
Just a thought,does 4m42 have a passing time or a stopping time at Northampton?
Maybe if its a stopping time at Norhampton thats the reason why the driver questioned the route

"MD105 - HANSLOPE JUNCTION TO RUGBY (VIA NORTHAMPTON)
Hanslope North Junction To RUGBY
Trains diverted via Weedon. Trains booked to run via Northampton may be diverted via Weedon. Drivers need not
observe the requirements of Rule Book, Module S2, Section 5, unless their train is booked to call at Northampton and/or
Long Buckby.
Dated"

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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 04/10/2015 at 11:12 #76547
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Non-stop between Hanslope and Hillmorton, I had an issue with 4L95 also calling wrong route in the opposite direction.
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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 02/03/2017 at 22:35 #93460
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Good day all! I know that this is an old thread but the topic is still valid. Most trains booked up non-stop via N'ton will call wrong route if routed via Weedon. I'm at 03:22 sim time and the last culprit is 4O84 (running early), running booked route to Hillmorton Jcn and thence signalled via the Up Main (to avoid a TC failure at Daventry S. and an early running class 6) calls wrong route at KR3356. Cheers!
Last edited: 02/03/2017 at 23:37 by LordSven
Reason: Correction to quoted sim time.

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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 02/03/2017 at 23:21 #93466
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4M43 booked down via N'ton just called wrong route at Hanslope Jcn., so the hiccup exists in both directions. Haven't sent anything Up or Down via N'ton when booked via Weedon yet but will advise.

Could this problem be arising because all trains booked via N'ton seem to be timed at Daventry North Junction and Daventry South Junction? These points seem to be inserted automatically if removed with an F2 edit. Just a thought.

Last edited: 02/03/2017 at 23:28 by LordSven
Reason: Added thoughts on Daventry Jcn.s

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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 02/03/2017 at 23:29 #93468
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Looks like it didn't get put on the bug tracker- #16915 raised.
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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 23/05/2020 at 18:25 #127045
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I have just downloaded Rugby and found this out. In reality, all drivers are to take either route without questioning, except if required that way, for example a Daventry bound train would query fast line route at Hanslope, but other than that they are to take what is given if just heading through. A shame it hasnt been replicated that way but hopefully it will get rectified.
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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 23/05/2020 at 19:00 #127048
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8stewartt in post 127045 said:
I have just downloaded Rugby and found this out. In reality, all drivers are to take either route without questioning, except if required that way, for example a Daventry bound train would query fast line route at Hanslope, but other than that they are to take what is given if just heading through. A shame it hasnt been replicated that way but hopefully it will get rectified.
16915 was resolved 3 years ago! Just tried it on the sim and drivers take the route without question.

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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 26/05/2020 at 19:46 #127141
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Evening,

Downloaded this at the weekend, am playing the 2009 timetable that it comes supplied with, and the first 2 freights i pathed via weedon vice northampton and both drivers rang at hillmorton and hanslope to query the route. Had to get authorise bypassing northampton etc to get them to take the route?

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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 26/05/2020 at 21:11 #127149
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8stewartt in post 127141 said:
Evening,

Downloaded this at the weekend, am playing the 2009 timetable that it comes supplied with, and the first 2 freights i pathed via weedon vice northampton and both drivers rang at hillmorton and hanslope to query the route. Had to get authorise bypassing northampton etc to get them to take the route?

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It will only take the route without question if there are no stops on the original route. Which two trains do you mean, because the first in the 0445 goes to Daventry so it must go via Northampton, and the first in the 0000 start (6M45) happily took the route via Weedon.

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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 27/05/2020 at 08:17 #127157
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4L77 & 6A73
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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 27/05/2020 at 09:11 #127159
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tried to reproduce this.

2009 timetable 0445 start

4M62 - southbound booked into Daventry calls at rugby to question the route which is correct
5W80 - northbound booked to stop at Northampton calls at hanslope to question the route as expected
4M14 - northbound booked into Daventry calls at Hanslope to question wrong route as expected
4M75 - northbound via Weedon. accepts Northampton route without question as expected
6G64 - northbound via Northampton non stop DOES question the route at Hanslope but shouldn't.

It appears if a train is booked into Northampton, stopping or not. it wont accept the Weedon route.

Edit: tested 6A73 as mentioned above and it accepts the Northampton route without question so no issue there. 4L77 questions being sent via Weedon when its booked non stop through Northampton so definitely an issue with having Northampton in the tt, whether stopping or not.

I can't reopen 16915 on mantis but I've added a note.

Last edited: 27/05/2020 at 09:21 by jc92
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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 27/05/2020 at 11:05 #127160
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[quote=jc92;post=127159]tried to reproduce this.

2009 timetable 0445 start

4M62 - southbound booked into Daventry calls at rugby to question the route which is correct
5W80 - northbound booked to stop at Northampton calls at hanslope to question the route as expected
4M14 - northbound booked into Daventry calls at Hanslope to question wrong route as expected
4M75 - northbound via Weedon. accepts Northampton route without question as expected
6G64 - northbound via Northampton non stop DOES question the route at Hanslope but shouldn't.

It appears if a train is booked into Northampton, stopping or not. it wont accept the Weedon route.

Edit: tested 6A73 as mentioned above and it accepts the Northampton route without question so no issue there. 4L77 questions being sent via Weedon when its booked non stop through Northampton so definitely an issue with having Northampton in the tt, whether stopping or not.

Hi
I tried to divert 6A73 via the "old line" Weedon called in to question route
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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 28/05/2020 at 09:31 #127189
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6A73 and 4L77 were the two that both rang in I think, the one going South rang in 3/4 times for bypassing places. There was one heading North that rang in when I tried to send it via Weedon instead of non stop via Northampton and had to bypass one location.

I know the west coast very well, work mainline, so obviously I wouldn't divert anything for Daventry via Weedon, or anything for Northampton station via Weedon.

However, anything booked non stop via one route, should take the other without question, I believe it is compulsory for drivers to sign both ways before signing the route.

I will play again later, trying to divert everything via the opposite route where possible and make a note of any issues. Thanks everyone for the help so far.

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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 28/05/2020 at 12:56 #127190
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Just done some testing.

Loader version V4.15.1. Sim version 1.3. Rugby SCC Centre Sim. 00:00:00 - 00:45:00 (ish)

4L77 - Southbound - P4 to FL - booked non stop via LB, NN and Hanslope.
Rings in at KR3356 to query route at 00:06:44. Rings in 3 times, to be told to bypass Dav north, Dav south and LB, then takes route.

6A73 - Southbound - P5 to FL - booked non stop via LB, NN and Hanslope.
Rings in at KR3356 to query route at 00:11:26. Rings in 3 times, to be told to bypass Dav north, Dav south and LB, then takes route.

6M65 - Northbound - MK Slow to FL - booked non stop via Northampton, LB and Hillmorton.
Rings in at KR5277 to query route at 00:17:21. Rings in once, to be told to bypass Northampton, rings in again but then hangs up immediately and then takes route.

4L24 - Southbound - P5 to SL - booked non stop via Weedon and Hanslope.
Takes SL route without query at 00:20:44.

4O80 - Southbound - routed into P5 at Rugby vice P6 due to P6 being occupied by 4Q70 (timetable clash).
booked non stop via LB, NN and Hanslope. Rings in to query route at 00:37:14. Rings in 3 times, to be told to bypass Dav north, Dav south and LB, then takes route.

4M57 - Northbound - MK Slow to FL - booked non stop via Northampton, LB and Hillmorton.
Rings in to query route. Rings once to be told to bypass Northampton, then takes route.

Interestingly, I tried again from scratch. It seems the trains booked FL take the SL route without query, although only had one option to test this theory, however anything booked SL seems to query FL route. When you click on the headcode of 4L77, it only shows Hillmorton, Long Buckby, Northampton and Hanslope, so I was going to try and delete Long Buckby leaving just Northampton in, and see if with just the one location as a timing point it would divert without question. However, when you go into F2 and edit timetable, it also shows Daventry North Junction, Daventry South Junction and Northampton Mill Lane Junction timing points which it doesn't show in the clicking headcode TT.

I tried to delete these extra timing points then validate, but when you reopen it they have re appeared so couldn't test if this was the posible issue.

Maybe there is still an issue with the diverting querying that needs investigating?

Many Thanks
Tom

Last edited: 28/05/2020 at 13:00 by 8stewartt
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Diverting between Hanslope & Hillmorton 28/05/2020 at 13:34 #127191
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It was noted in post #127159 that the issue has been logged for fixing.
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