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York North/South 24/05/2016 at 17:00 #82618
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#15360, thanks. That must have been in there for quite a while with nobody spotting (or reporting) it!
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York North/South 24/05/2016 at 19:51 #82624
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The first train from Darlington even now has a 15 ENG allowance built in between Darlington and Northallerton, this is to allow for slower running should the train run 'wrong road' under SIMBIDS.
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York North/South 24/05/2016 at 20:12 #82627
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I noticed on viewing a very recent video of York Station in Youtube that platform 5 is actually split into 5a and 5b. This simulation seems to make no mention of this.

Secondly, entry to North Yard requires a telephone call but I do not see signal Y243 on the list of possible entry points. Can someone please explain why there is a list of signals which bear no relation to the entry point ?
The platform 5A/5B was an operational change not a signalling change. This was done so that TPE train stop on 5B and thus passengers know where to stand with a 3 car train stopping on the long platform, it was sometimes a bit hit and miss, especially with passengers who didnt know the unmarked stopping point. Also all the 'long distance' trains now stop on 5A, this enables the VTEC trains to stop lined up with their 'stopping' trains in P6. As far as the display in the IECC there is only a P5.

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York North/South 24/05/2016 at 20:30 #82630
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Springwell Lane telephones go to Low Gates which is presumably why it's slotted.

As for the LOS, I haven't found a signaller who has ever used it and can thus explain the procedure.
Geoff,
You are correct about the telephones/slots. Low Gates is effectively a crossing box to us, and as they are in control of the crossing (telephones) the signals are slotted so they can put back the signals if required in an emergency. In reality the slot are always given so that as soon as we in York set the route, the signals clear.

Had a look at this at work tonight (LOS at Low Gates), and tried it out. York set the route Y701GPL to Y500LOS, which is repeated on the diagram in Low Gates Box, the route sets (signal stays red), Low Gates drops the barriers and when able gives slot LG5 for signal Y701GPL, which then clears.

Hope this helps everyone

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York North/South 25/05/2016 at 08:56 #82647
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The first train from Darlington even now has a 15 ENG allowance built in between Darlington and Northallerton, this is to allow for slower running should the train run 'wrong road' under SIMBIDS.
Oh, how I used to hate CANBIDS when I worked in Bristol.



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York North/South 26/05/2016 at 12:12 #82676
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I am on the 15th Oct 1009 timetable at 1855 hours. The trains 6H89 and 4D74 both arrive at Gasgoigne Wood West around the same time. The locomotives require to perform a run round but after the movement the locomotives will not join. Its funny that some timetables and sims manage to work joins well such as Motherwell and Carlisle with no difficulty and then we have a new sim which does not.
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York North/South 26/05/2016 at 15:30 #82681
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Tongue firmly in cheek here, but I wouldn't have expected any trains to run on the 15th October 1009.

I will at this point get my coat and shout taxiiiiiii



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York North/South 26/05/2016 at 16:12 #82682
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I am on the 15th Oct 1009 timetable at 1855 hours. The trains 6H89 and 4D74 both arrive at Gasgoigne Wood West around the same time. The locomotives require to perform a run round but after the movement the locomotives will not join. Its funny that some timetables and sims manage to work joins well such as Motherwell and Carlisle with no difficulty and then we have a new sim which does not.
Ok so why won't they join? What is the status of the light engines under F2 (Stopped at xxxxxx, train yyyy in front, etc)? If you click on a berth, or sticky note with the light engine's Train ID, what location is at the top of the list?

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York North/South 26/05/2016 at 16:44 #82683
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I am on the 15th Oct 1009 timetable at 1855 hours. The trains 6H89 and 4D74 both arrive at Gasgoigne Wood West around the same time. The locomotives require to perform a run round but after the movement the locomotives will not join. Its funny that some timetables and sims manage to work joins well such as Motherwell and Carlisle with no difficulty and then we have a new sim which does not.
Ok so why won't they join? What is the status of the light engines under F2 (Stopped at xxxxxx, train yyyy in front, etc)? If you click on a berth, or sticky note with the light engine's Train ID, what location is at the top of the list?
http://www.SimSig.co.uk/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=simulations:yorkns:gascoigne_wood

The manual covers this issue and confirms a core code update is en route.

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York North/South 26/05/2016 at 16:59 #82685
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Thanks for replies. Yes the year 1009 is a bit early for trains !

The status of one of the locos was : train in front. I think the other train was held at a shunt signal which was at red. I tried to move this loco by authorising it to pass at red but that had no effect.

Whilst I am writing this, I remember that some sims allow an easy edit of the timetable to the location at the join. The loco then recognises its "new" location and usually performs the join. Unfortunately there newer sims seem to have an in-built complication which prevents one from editing the location and the loco can never be stepped to its join location.

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York North/South 30/05/2016 at 10:38 #82747
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Am enjoying York but who am I meant to call to ask for permission for trains approaching Y243 routed for York Yard North?

I have checked the wiki and as below it doesn't actually say :doh

York Yard North


Permission is required to enter York Yard North from Y243/245/247 and Y262/312/666.

The yard will phone you to inform of a departing train.

When approaching Y243 to go into the yard, a train will come to a stand some tens of seconds before the position light aspect will light, allowing the train to proceed. It is not known why the approach control timeout is overly long.


Other then that, so far it's been a good learning curve learning all the various routes

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York North/South 01/06/2016 at 12:10 #82826
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Can the player place blocks on the first controlled signal in the sim at places where trains enter ie Signal 735 has a Blok, would I be right in assuming all trains booked over that line would pass Signal 737 as the first controlled signal?
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York North/South 05/06/2016 at 17:49 #82914
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The first train from Darlington even now has a 15 ENG allowance built in between Darlington and Northallerton, this is to allow for slower running should the train run 'wrong road' under SIMBIDS.
Interestingly enough, the public timetable apparently has the allowance between Northallerton and York, so looking at RTT/OTT, that train usually seems to depart early (compared to the WTT) from Northallerton and put in an extended dwell at York instead.

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York North/South 08/06/2016 at 02:38 #82938
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York has now been updated to version 1.2. Issues fixed are listed here. The main issue of interest is the issue of trains running Gascoigne Wood<->Sherburn Jn<->Church Fenton<->Colton Jn which I believe should now be fixed.
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York North/South 02/07/2016 at 06:42 #83333
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[quote="Ray" post=82496]I noticed on viewing a very recent video of York Station in Youtube that platform 5 is actually split into 5a and 5b. This simulation seems to make no mention of this.

Secondly, entry to North Yard requires a telephone call but I do not see signal Y243 on the list of possible entry points. Can someone please explain why there is a list of signals which bear no relation to the entry point ?
Signal Y243 is the first signal on North's Panel Down Slow line and is the signal for entry into North Sidings.

Barry[/quote

Sorry, I interpret this message incorrectly. A telephone call to North Yard lists choice signal 248. This should be signal 243!

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York North/South 08/07/2016 at 15:55 #83467
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I've just started York and it's great. I've got all the ARS switched on in IECC mode at the moment, it's good for learning the sim. Thanks for another highly addictive and really well made product.
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York North/South 08/07/2016 at 18:07 #83484
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A telephone call to North Yard lists choice signal 248. This should be signal 243!
The logic is that you enter the yard via [the back of] signal 248. Otherwise the call would be from 635, 243, 245, and 247 which is a bit long.

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York North/South 24/07/2016 at 15:47 #83777
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Had a look at this at work tonight (LOS at Low Gates), and tried it out. York set the route Y701GPL to Y500LOS, which is repeated on the diagram in Low Gates Box, the route sets (signal stays red), Low Gates drops the barriers and when able gives slot LG5 for signal Y701GPL, which then clears.

Hope this helps everyone
The route for 701-500 officially requires CH occ 120 sec. CF, CG clear OR CE occ, CF occ once 701( B ) cleared. 895 points locked and detected normal. Low Gates barriers down (at time of clearing) and crossing clear button operated. Lastly LG5 slot from Low gates

LG5 no longer exists (apart from in the relay room at low gates, and the control tables), It's Y701 slot and it's shown as Y701 at Low Gates (although it is handwritten LG5 on the panel from when it was first commissioned to help avoid any confusion regarding old and new signal ID's)

For reference

LG1 = Y471
LG2 = Y480
LG3 = Y473
LG4 = Y696
LG5 = Y701
LG6 = Y702
LG7 = Y477
LG8 = Y484

Y482 is written as LG4 but I'd have to double check (I think it's LG9)

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York North/South 24/07/2016 at 23:50 #83784
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pm77 Welcome to Simsig!

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York North/South 25/07/2016 at 15:53 #83791
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The route for 701-500 officially requires CH occ 120 sec. CF, CG clear OR CE occ, CF occ once 701( B ) cleared. 895 points locked and detected normal. Low Gates barriers down (at time of clearing) and crossing clear button operated. Lastly LG5 slot from Low gates
Ah, calling-on only, last wheel replacement. Thanks.


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For reference

LG1 = Y471
LG2 = Y480
LG3 = Y473
LG4 = Y696
LG5 = Y701
LG6 = Y702
LG7 = Y477
LG8 = Y484

Y482 is written as LG4 but I'd have to double check (I think it's LG9)
I wonder whether the Low Gates to York interface simplifies it a bit. For example, LG4 is the slot for Y482, Y698, and Y696, only one of which can ever be set at a time.

http://photos.signalling.org/picture?/12717/category/1224-2008

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York North/South 28/07/2016 at 20:10 #83832
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I wonder whether the Low Gates to York interface simplifies it a bit. For example, LG4 is the slot for Y482, Y698, and Y696, only one of which can ever be set at a time.

http://photos.signalling.org/picture?/12717/category/1224-2008
Your photo is correct, all three signals share LG4 slot. The signals are all SSI controlled (as are all the York signals at Low Gates) and all in the same location case. They all have 2 routes, to Y480 and Y478. Only Y480 requires the slot. The slot request for LG4 is only on one input from Low Gates.

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York North/South 10/09/2016 at 20:02 #84662
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i am speachless on this bug
[attachment=3953]bugyorktrainjumpingtracks.pdf[/attachment]

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York North/South 10/09/2016 at 20:04 #84663
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i am speachless on this bug
[attachment=3953]bugyorktrainjumpingtracks.pdf[/attachment]
Ok, without the drama can you explain what's happening in the screenshot?

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York North/South 10/09/2016 at 20:09 #84664
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i am speachless on this bug
[attachment=3953]bugyorktrainjumpingtracks.pdf[/attachment]
Ok, without the drama can you explain what's happening in the screenshot?
from looking at the screen shot it looks like the train comming out of the sidings set up route but it highlighted the track circut though P10 at york

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York North/South 10/09/2016 at 20:12 #84665
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i am speachless on this bug
[attachment=3953]bugyorktrainjumpingtracks.pdf[/attachment]
Ok, without the drama can you explain what's happening in the screenshot?
Route 213AM is set but some of the ULCs aren't shown as locked, but 213 is showing a proceed aspect. (At least that's the only thing that I can see that is wrong)

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i am speachless on this bug
[attachment=3953]bugyorktrainjumpingtracks.pdf[/attachment]
You are playing in the game currently being hosted (future readers note the hosting thread may have been destroyed), either your own connection to the server, or the hosts out bound connection doesn't have enough bandwith to cope with the session that is being hosted, and there is some severe delay between the host and the clients, or vice versa. Judging by the chatter in the shoutbox some very strange things are happening.

Noting the bug you had in Kings Cross multiplayer yesterday hosted by a different person, I can only conclude there is an issue with the speed of your connection, I was only able to reproduce both bugs if I set up a connection between two machines and artificially throttle the speed.

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