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Edge Hill 2016 WTT 11/11/2016 at 21:11 #87297
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This timetable has been uploaded, approved and can be found here.

I plan to upload a compatible timetable for Huyton, when the 2014 mode for the latter simulation is fixed.

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A timetable for the Edge Hill area, set in 2016. All times taken from Open Train Times and Real Time Trains, with freight headcodes from RTT (for GBRF workings), online WTT (where possible), or else guessed. Passenger rolling stock information taken from various sources, some of which are slightly out of date. Stock for EMT is guessed based on obersvations of these trains.

Service pattern:

Northern Rail (NT)

The main operator at Lime Street, Northern Rail operate the following:

2tph Lime St- Manchester Oxford Road, via Hunts Cross, calling at most stations
2tph Lime St- Wigan North Western, calling at all stations
1tph Liverpool South Parkway- Preston, calling only at Huyton and St Helens between Liverpool and Wigan.
1tph Lime St- Manchester Airport, limited stop
1tph Lime St- Manchester Victoria, all stops
1tph Lime St- Warrington Bank Quay, all stops

All services with the exception of Oxford Road stoppers are formed of Class 319s. Oxford Road services are formed of a mix of Classes 142, 150 and 156, with some workings paired. Warrington BQ services run to Manchester in the peaks, Liverpool South Parkway and some Oxford Road services only run to/from Liverpool and Warrington Central respectively in the peaks.

TransPennine Express (TP)

1tph Lime Street- Newcastle via Huyton
1tph Lime Street- Scarborough via Hunts Cross

All services formed of Class 185 DMUs, running in pairs on peak time Scarborough workings

London Midland (LM)

2tph Lime Street- Birmingham New Street

All services formed of single Class 350s, of varying sub-classes.

East Midlands Trains (EM)

1tph Lime Street- Norwich via Hunts Cross

All services formed of pairs of Classs 158 units (one unit is detached/attached at Nottingham)

Virgin Trains (VT)

1tph Lime Street- London Euston

Formed of a mix of 9 and 11 car Class 390s.

Freight

Main traffic flows are containers to Ditton and Garston, along with Cars to both Halewood and Garston. Additionally, waste traffic to the incinerator at Runcorn uses the Folly Lane branch. With Fiddlers Ferry power station closing, there are no coal trains serving the power station, with a sole Gyspum working to the site. Coal and Biomass traffic is still present on the Liverpool Docks branch, bound for Drax.

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The lines towards Wigan and Manchester have no passing loops and lots of stations. As such, you'll find stopping services booked to depart just after limited stop services- try to ensure this order is maintained.
As there is no coal traffic to Fiddlers Ferry, Monks Sidings and Fiddlers Ferry boxes are very quiet, with just 3 trains in each direction. As such, I'd reccommend these boxes be linked with others when allocating panels in Multiplay.

Please feel free to post any questions, problems or bugs on the Forum.
Enjoy!

"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Edge Hill 2016 WTT 12/11/2016 at 17:51 #87311
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Some of the trains reversing into Ditton O'Connors need the stopping position defined at Ditton Reception (N or NX) otherwise they will stop overhanging Ditton East Jn and require a bit of faffing about to get them into O'Connors. 4M64 was first I encountered this with but I think 4M59 and 4M45 will encounter same issue unless amended - all others appear to have stopping position defined.

Otherwise, still early o'clock in timetable but enjoying so far.

Edit: 6M14 headed for Ditton Foundry Lane will likely need a stopping position added as well.

Last edited: 12/11/2016 at 20:20 by sloppyjag
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Edge Hill 2016 WTT 13/11/2016 at 20:50 #87324
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sloppyjag in post 87311 said:
Some of the trains reversing into Ditton O'Connors need the stopping position defined at Ditton Reception (N or NX) otherwise they will stop overhanging Ditton East Jn and require a bit of faffing about to get them into O'Connors. 4M64 was first I encountered this with but I think 4M59 and 4M45 will encounter same issue unless amended - all others appear to have stopping position defined.

Otherwise, still early o'clock in timetable but enjoying so far.

Edit: 6M14 headed for Ditton Foundry Lane will likely need a stopping position added as well.
That's annoying- I thought I'd sorted all those during testing. Thanks for reporting, fixed for next release.

"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Edge Hill 2016 WTT 13/11/2016 at 21:07 #87325
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Doesnt overhang is send into Ditton Reception Sdg3.
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Edge Hill 2016 WTT 19/11/2016 at 16:54 #88410
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"As there is no coal traffic to Fiddlers Ferry, Monks Sidings and Fiddlers Ferry boxes are very quiet, with just 3 trains in each direction. As such, I'd reccommend these boxes be linked with others when allocating panels in Multiplay."

I work at Warrington MDU and there is defiantly a coal train that still goes into Fiddlers, and I still inspect the track, the power station hasn't shut down, its running on half power...thats at least what we've been told!

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Edge Hill 2016 WTT 19/11/2016 at 16:57 #88411
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The signallers at Ditton Signalbox always route these trains into number 3, then they do fit. Also, getting the pilot locos that I watch every so often into the timetable would be nice instead if the train being projectiled.

Gutted however that Warrington Bank Quay/Acton Grange and the DB Schenker sidings aren't on this sim!
Maybe a future update?!!

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Edge Hill 2016 WTT 19/11/2016 at 20:47 #88414
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joshuapopelewis in post 88410 said:
"As there is no coal traffic to Fiddlers Ferry, Monks Sidings and Fiddlers Ferry boxes are very quiet, with just 3 trains in each direction. As such, I'd reccommend these boxes be linked with others when allocating panels in Multiplay."

I work at Warrington MDU and there is defiantly a coal train that still goes into Fiddlers, and I still inspect the track, the power station hasn't shut down, its running on half power...thats at least what we've been told!
When I was writing the timetable (around February), there were no coal trains running at all- presumably they were burning through the stockpile, and I believe there was uncertainty as to the future of the power station at the time. Either way, the trains you see are what actually ran one day on 03/02/2016.

joshuapopelewis said:
The signallers at Ditton Signalbox always route these trains into number 3, then they do fit. Also, getting the pilot locos that I watch every so often into the timetable would be nice instead if the train being projectiled.
If you can tell me what the usual practice is for a typical train at Ditton, I'll modify the timetable. I don't know much about the terminal, I simply followed the example of the default TT which had trains being propelled in and piloted out.

joshuapopelewis said:
Gutted however that Warrington Bank Quay/Acton Grange and the DB Schenker sidings aren't on this sim!
Maybe a future update?!!
Those would fall under the remit of a Warrington PSB simulation. I'm also hoping that's developed at some stage!

"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Edge Hill 2016 WTT 19/11/2016 at 23:26 #88416
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Steamer in post 88414 said:
When I was writing the timetable (around February), there were no coal trains running at all- presumably they were burning through the stockpile, and I believe there was uncertainty as to the future of the power station at the time. Either way, the trains you see are what actually ran one day on 03/02/2016.

Ah okay I see, well yes as an FYI they are now running some into the Power Station.

Steamer in post 88414 said:
If you can tell me what the usual practice is for a typical train at Ditton, I'll modify the timetable. I don't know much about the terminal, I simply followed the example of the default TT which had trains being propelled in and piloted out.

Next time I am there I will make a note of the movements made, this will be sometime in the next 2 weeks.

Steamer in post 88414 said:
Those would fall under the remit of a Warrington PSB simulation. I'm also hoping that's developed at some stage!

That would be fab!! If it is to be developed and anyone is in need of any assistance, Signal Plans, TT data, proof-checking then I am here to assist, some local knowledge available to use!!

Anyway, thanks for this fab sim/TT, if you want any help in the future maybe with some Possession Scenarios, or blockages/VSTP trains, let me know, I will hussle some info for you!

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Edge Hill 2016 WTT 02/03/2017 at 18:50 #93448
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Version 1.1 has been released. This corrects the stopping issue, and a couple of other minor tweaks.

"Joshuapopelewis" never got back to me, so movements at Ditton are unchanged. If he, or anyone else, can provide details that can make these moves more realistic, let me know and I'll include them.

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Edge Hill 2016 WTT 26/03/2017 at 18:41 #94126
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Shoot! Apologies for that i completely forgot! Been a hectic time!

I am at Ditton on Tuesday, I will note them down then.
Thanks!

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