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Euston signal 88 to 104 01/12/2016 at 10:36 #89619
Bonan
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I'm using the 1980s timetable with the Euston simulation and that involves several trains starting from the Down Carriage Shed and then reversing in the Park Street Tunnels area to then back down into Euston. To do this, you route the train out from the Down Carriage Sidings to signal 88 and then on to the "LOS" signal (what does that stand for, limit of shunt?). Sometimes it would be of use to use the Up Engine Line to get fewer crossing routes in the throat, but as these trains are long, they would have to get past the LOS signal and on to signal 104 to clear the points. I have not been able to set a path from 88 to 104 nor from the LOS to 104. The LOS doesen't even activate when clicked.
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Euston signal 88 to 104 01/12/2016 at 12:17 #89620
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LOS does indeed stand for 'Limit Of Shunt'. As the limit of shunt, you can't very well set a route past it! The signalling is not designed for it. Unfortunately, restrictive layouts are a fact of life.
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Euston signal 88 to 104 01/12/2016 at 12:18 #89621
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Bonan in post 89619 said:
I'm using the 1980s timetable with the Euston simulation and that involves several trains starting from the Down Carriage Shed and then reversing in the Park Street Tunnels area to then back down into Euston. To do this, you route the train out from the Down Carriage Sidings to signal 88 and then on to the "LOS" signal (what does that stand for, limit of shunt?). Sometimes it would be of use to use the Up Engine Line to get fewer crossing routes in the throat, but as these trains are long, they would have to get past the LOS signal and on to signal 104 to clear the points. I have not been able to set a path from 88 to 104 nor from the LOS to 104. The LOS doesen't even activate when clicked.
You can set the route from S88 to the LOS. Yes Limit of shunt).the train will run down and stop at the LOS and reverse. You then set the route from S81 and run the train via the Up Engine Line 1 or if need be, run via the Backing Out Roads.

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Euston signal 88 to 104 01/12/2016 at 12:36 #89622
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Yep, that's what I've been doing. But what if you need to use the Up Engine Line 2 to access the lower platforms (1-7)? Should you instruct the driver to pass the LOS at danger so that the rear of the train gets inside S91 to allow for a route to be set from S91 to the UEL2?
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Euston signal 88 to 104 01/12/2016 at 12:46 #89623
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Bonan in post 89622 said:
Yep, that's what I've been doing. But what if you need to use the Up Engine Line 2 to access the lower platforms (1-7)? Should you instruct the driver to pass the LOS at danger so that the rear of the train gets inside S91 to allow for a route to be set from S91 to the UEL2?
No! You will find that EC trains for platforms 1 to 4 arrive on the Up Fast from Willesden CS or from the Up Carriage Shed.

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Euston signal 88 to 104 01/12/2016 at 15:12 #89624
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Bonan in post 89619 said:
I'm using the 1980s timetable with the Euston simulation and that involves several trains starting from the Down Carriage Shed and then reversing in the Park Street Tunnels area to then back down into Euston. To do this, you route the train out from the Down Carriage Sidings to signal 88 and then on to the "LOS" signal (what does that stand for, limit of shunt?). Sometimes it would be of use to use the Up Engine Line to get fewer crossing routes in the throat, but as these trains are long, they would have to get past the LOS signal and on to signal 104 to clear the points. I have not been able to set a path from 88 to 104 nor from the LOS to 104. The LOS doesen't even activate when clicked.
British railways aren't as flexible as the railways here. Sometimes I think that the signalling engineer had it in for Signalmen in Britain.

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Euston signal 88 to 104 01/12/2016 at 17:13 #89628
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Allright, thanks for the answers! Still seems like an useful option in times of disruption.

However, I tend to be on the creative side of things in real life so who knows what I come up with at Euston...

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Euston signal 88 to 104 01/12/2016 at 21:21 #89636
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Bonan in post 89628 said:
Allright, thanks for the answers! Still seems like an useful option in times of disruption.

However, I tend to be on the creative side of things in real life so who knows what I come up with at Euston... ;)
It is a great sim. Enjoy it!

To follow on, have a look at Wembley Mainline.

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Euston signal 88 to 104 02/12/2016 at 16:49 #89652
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BarryM in post 89636 said:
Bonan in post 89628 said:
Allright, thanks for the answers! Still seems like an useful option in times of disruption.

However, I tend to be on the creative side of things in real life so who knows what I come up with at Euston... ;)
It is a great sim. Enjoy it!

To follow on, have a look at Wembley Mainline.

Barry

I think the 'Wembley Main Line' layout (the present configuration) is bliss itself compared with the 1965 layout and its modifications in the 'Euston' sim. Now that was a signalbox... really sorted out the (signal)men from the boys. All the more 'interesting' because all points at Station end (and I think those at Camden end when it was first commissioned) were electro-pneumatic. Which meant that in real life, unlike the sim (where you have a couple of seconds to realise you've called a wrong route), the whole lot would be over and the signal clear before you even realised you'd pressed the wrong exit. Cue a two minute time-off (usually in the middle of the peak, of course!!!) and some extremely unparliamentary language in a number of different quarters. I think it used to be particularly fun in the days before push-pull working arrived... a loco (usually referred to as a 'banker', although there was no banking after electrification, even though the authority remained in the Sectional Appendix) to get rid of after every departure and before the next train could be signalled in to that platform.

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Euston signal 88 to 104 02/12/2016 at 17:08 #89654
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kbarber in post 89652 said:
BarryM in post 89636 said:
Bonan in post 89628 said:
Allright, thanks for the answers! Still seems like an useful option in times of disruption.

However, I tend to be on the creative side of things in real life so who knows what I come up with at Euston... ;)
It is a great sim. Enjoy it!

To follow on, have a look at Wembley Mainline.

Barry

I think the 'Wembley Main Line' layout (the present configuration) is bliss itself compared with the 1965 layout and its modifications in the 'Euston' sim. Now that was a signalbox... really sorted out the (signal)men from the boys. All the more 'interesting' because all points at Station end (and I think those at Camden end when it was first commissioned) were electro-pneumatic. Which meant that in real life, unlike the sim (where you have a couple of seconds to realise you've called a wrong route), the whole lot would be over and the signal clear before you even realised you'd pressed the wrong exit.
I'm sure Clive has said in the past that the point moving time has been reduced from the usual value in Euston.

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