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Order of trains when several in one platform 16/01/2018 at 11:18 #105134
Afterbrunel
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Excuse my ignorance, but when two or more trains are berthed in a bay platform road, for example, I have trouble in the F2 train list in determining what order they are in. Is there some knack to this? NB looking at their location on the diagram is often misleading (otherwise I wouldn't be asking this question).
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Order of trains when several in one platform 16/01/2018 at 12:13 #105138
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My personal method to a large number of divides is to create a note with each train formed, this then gives you departure time and hence the order they are in.

Paul

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Order of trains when several in one platform 16/01/2018 at 17:25 #105151
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Pen(cil) and paper, or sticky notes. These days not many signallers get to look out the window and see for themselves, so they have to keep track as the trains enter the platform.
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Order of trains when several in one platform 17/01/2018 at 14:12 #105171
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Something that really doesn't help here is that the locations and activities disappear from the timetable summary as they are completed by the train. It would be more useful *and* more realistic if they remained, with some sort of highlight over the current/next location.

In particular, consider the case of an ECS that goes to a platform (without ACI), drops two consists (rear or front), then proceeds onwards under its original headcode. If you miss it due to business elsewhere until it's finished the uncoupling activities, there's no easy way to find out from the sim what these extra two trains' headcodes are. Realistically, you'd still have the printout with all the activities on it to refer to.

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Order of trains when several in one platform 17/01/2018 at 14:22 #105173
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Chromatix in post 105171 said:


In particular, consider the case of an ECS that goes to a platform (without ACI), drops two consists (rear or front), then proceeds onwards under its original headcode. If you miss it due to business elsewhere until it's finished the uncoupling activities, there's no easy way to find out from the sim what these extra two trains' headcodes are.
Assuming you know the location the dividing has taken place, then looking on the F2 list it will show you the trains currently at that location and therefore the headcodes of the new trains formed from the division.

Gareth

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Order of trains when several in one platform 17/01/2018 at 14:36 #105174
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TimTamToe in post 105173 said:

Assuming you know the location the dividing has taken place, then looking on the F2 list it will show you the trains currently at that location and therefore the headcodes of the new trains formed from the division.

Gareth
Yes, but that brings us back to the original problem in this thread: how do you tell in which order those new trains are sitting in the platform if there is more than one?

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Order of trains when several in one platform 17/01/2018 at 14:59 #105175
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vloris in post 105174 said:
TimTamToe in post 105173 said:

Assuming you know the location the dividing has taken place, then looking on the F2 list it will show you the trains currently at that location and therefore the headcodes of the new trains formed from the division.

Gareth
Yes, but that brings us back to the original problem in this thread: how do you tell in which order those new trains are sitting in the platform if there is more than one?
I recommend and use Paul's (DriverCurran) method of writing a sticky note (or pen and pencil) with the headcode from which you can determine the departure times.

On the F2 it will also tell you the expected time of departure. It won't matter whether it is a through or terminus platform as timetable writers will have the trains in the correct order (unless they and their testers have had a bad day) so you will know which train is.

I'll give a couple of examples:

eg Victoria.

5A01 arrives at 05:00 and divides into two portions 1A01 and 1A03 using the activities DR and N.
1A01 is due to depart 05:20 and 1A03 05:30 therefore you know that 1A01 even if you miss the activities you know 1A01 is country end and 1A03 is near the bufferstops.

The same principle is for a through station. Let's say Horsham

5A01 stops at Horsham and divides into three portions before continuing. 5A01 leaves with the remaining three portions in the platform.
Use F2 and you'll find the trains that are still in the platform and you can then see their departure times. If you make sticky notes you will easily be able to see their timetables.

If the three portions are 1C02 dep 09:00 towards London, 1C04 09:30 towards London and 2B02 09:15 towards Bognor. You know the order is 1C02 nearest the London end, 2B02 nearest the country end and 1C04 in the middle.

Hope this helps but in the words of Maxand "sticky notes are your friends"

Gareth

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Order of trains when several in one platform 17/01/2018 at 19:06 #105179
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TimTamToe in post 105175 said:
On the F2 it will also tell you the expected time of departure. It won't matter whether it is a through or terminus platform as timetable writers will have the trains in the correct order (unless they and their testers have had a bad day) so you will know which train is.
I wouldn't be so sure of that if there were multiple inbound trains, given that Noel takes pride in explicitly stating that he doesn't correct platform conflicts in the Groundhog Day timetables!

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Order of trains when several in one platform 17/01/2018 at 20:42 #105180
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The examples I was giving were regarding divides etc in the previous post, where the timetable writer would have the divisions in the correct order and not to do with platform clashes as such due to multiple inbounds.

Still if two trains were in the same platform but in the wrong departing order, on f2 and also on clicking the head code to display the timetable it would have train xxxx in front so you would still be able to work out the order

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Order of trains when several in one platform 18/01/2018 at 16:59 #105194
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Afterbrunel in post 105134 said:
I have trouble in the F2 train list in determining what order they are in. Is there some knack to this? NB looking at their location on the diagram is often misleading (otherwise I wouldn't be asking this question).
Back to the original question of is there a knack to this ?

Not really you can configure F2 how you like, the attachment shows my settings Sorted by Status with stop in the filter box which only then shows all trains stopped in the simulation, Their locations and if in stations platforms & departure times


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Order of trains when several in one platform 18/01/2018 at 18:41 #105200
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I'm grateful for all the above answers, but none of them addresses the issue. In the sim I am running, the simulation *starts* with several trains in a platform (at Northampton). No amount of writing sticky notes helps in this situation!
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Order of trains when several in one platform 18/01/2018 at 18:54 #105207
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Afterbrunel in post 105200 said:
I'm grateful for all the above answers, but none of them addresses the issue. In the sim I am running, the simulation *starts* with several trains in a platform (at Northampton). No amount of writing sticky notes helps in this situation!
Then you need to read the timetable. Danny252's suggestion of leaving real life platform conflicts in should not apply to this scenario.

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Order of trains when several in one platform 18/01/2018 at 22:31 #105214
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Afterbrunel in post 105200 said:
I'm grateful for all the above answers, but none of them addresses the issue. In the sim I am running, the simulation *starts* with several trains in a platform (at Northampton). No amount of writing sticky notes helps in this situation!
You can either catch the seeded train at the start of the simulation and make notes about the order of divides (only one train can seed per platform; it will take time to split), or order the trains by departure time and departure direction- barring the very occasional TT error, these will be divided in the right order.

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