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Motherwell Preset Possessions 09/03/2018 at 21:25 #106566
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Loaded up Motherwell for host in a difficult mode, Carstairs Dn Main and DPL were under Possession, on looking I believe there is an issue regarding this preset mode Track Circuit T603 shouldn't be under the Possession, or else nothing can get north without having to SPAD.. I removed the engineering on T603 but trains stop at the junction. I don't believe there is any other way to train to Dn Main from MC439 to MC413 Plat 2 Carstairs.





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Mortherwell Preset Processions 09/03/2018 at 21:33 #106567
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Do you mean "Possession"?
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Mortherwell Preset Processions 09/03/2018 at 21:41 #106568
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yes Possessions it is :P... slurring my words haha
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Mortherwell Preset Processions 10/03/2018 at 00:42 #106569
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HST125Scorton in post 106568 said:
yes Possessions it is :P... slurring my words haha
You know you can edit your slurs? May be a bit late now!

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Mortherwell Preset Possessions 10/03/2018 at 05:04 #106570
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BarryM in post 106569 said:
HST125Scorton in post 106568 said:
yes Possessions it is :P... slurring my words haha
You know you can edit your slurs? May be a bit late now!

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Mortherwell Preset Possessions 10/03/2018 at 09:18 #106580
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That scenario unintentional, though not necessarily wrong! Trains can be talked past MC439 with 324 points reverse. Though I expect it'd need to be talked past the GPLs as well, which might be less typical as I presume permission would be given to proceed right through to the platforms.

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Mortherwell Preset Possessions 10/03/2018 at 10:05 #106582
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GeoffM in post 106570 said:
He can't do the thread title (the one that appears in Latest Posts and elsewhere). I have done that now, after having to double check the spelling of possessions... and I'm sober!
But you still left the place name wrong.

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Motherwell Preset Possessions 10/03/2018 at 12:29 #106591
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Peter Bennet in post 106580 said:
That scenario unintentional, though not necessarily wrong! Trains can be talked past MC439 with 324 points reverse. Though I expect it'd need to be talked past the GPLs as well, which might be less typical as I presume permission would be given to proceed right through to the platforms.

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Sorry about the way I typed this all last night while it middle of hosting Motherwell and also slurring my wordings on here after few drinks!!...

On looking at it again on a new start up T603 is under a blue engineering possession, 4S83 is waiting at MC439 awaiting to go North via Platform 1 at Carstairs to Signal MC413, on setting a route from MC439 to MC413 I get the ‘preset shunt signal is collared’, when I take the reminder off it and try setting the route I get ‘Track Sections Isolated’. So I removed the blue engineering on Track Circuit T603 and was able to set a route from MC439 to MC413 and the signal cleared for 4S83. But then 4S83 reports on F2 ‘stopped at line closure’ on Track Circuit T603. I reversed points 324A/B Carstairs South Jn and tried routing from MC439 to MC413 via MC421 shunt signal but that didn’t work only MC421 to MC413 cleared so I would have to make trains PSAD to get it to MC421. In all fairness it looked a bit out of place and I wouldn’t think this would be the way of getting trains to the North. I’m only looking for answers and possibly removing the engineering and track section isolation off of Track Circuit T603 then everything would be ok leaving Down Main and DPL closed. I hope this made sense to myself haha...

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Motherwell Preset Possessions 10/03/2018 at 12:30 #106592
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looks like I can edit the main header but each post needs to be amended individually.

Probably not critical!

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Motherwell Preset Possessions 10/03/2018 at 12:45 #106593
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HST125Scorton in post 106591 said:
Peter Bennet in post 106580 said:
That scenario unintentional, though not necessarily wrong! Trains can be talked past MC439 with 324 points reverse. Though I expect it'd need to be talked past the GPLs as well, which might be less typical as I presume permission would be given to proceed right through to the platforms.

Peter
I reversed points 324A/B Carstairs South Jn and tried routing from MC439 to MC413 via MC421 shunt signal but that didn’t work only MC421 to MC413 cleared so I would have to make trains PSAD to get it to MC421.
It is true that there is no signalled route from MC439 to MC413 or MC421 across Points 324A/B reversed but there's nothing to stop you talking the train past MC439 with these points reversed. Might require a pilotman in reality, I don't know, but it should be possible. IF that is impossible then let me know and I'll rewrite it, if it works then I may leave it as-is as it adds to the scenario.

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Motherwell Preset Possessions 10/03/2018 at 13:28 #106595
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Peter Bennet in post 106593 said:
HST125Scorton in post 106591 said:
Peter Bennet in post 106580 said:
That scenario unintentional, though not necessarily wrong! Trains can be talked past MC439 with 324 points reverse. Though I expect it'd need to be talked past the GPLs as well, which might be less typical as I presume permission would be given to proceed right through to the platforms.

Peter
I reversed points 324A/B Carstairs South Jn and tried routing from MC439 to MC413 via MC421 shunt signal but that didn’t work only MC421 to MC413 cleared so I would have to make trains PSAD to get it to MC421.
It is true that there is no signalled route from MC439 to MC413 or MC421 across Points 324A/B reversed but there's nothing to stop you talking the train past MC439 with these points reversed. Might require a pilotman in reality, I don't know, but it should be possible. IF that is impossible then let me know and I'll rewrite it, if it works then I may leave it as-is as it adds to the scenario.

Peter
4S83 PSAD at MC439 to get to MC421, Points 324A/B reversed, 4S83 happily goes without question I get the route MC421 to MC413 then to MC407 and happy days train on it's way North. I will presume a pilotman will there at the junction for the trains north. So it has worked via PSAD but I would think it would be idea to have that T603 bit removed to allow trains to normally be signalled? But do we need to be sat there authorising PSADs for every train going North expect the ones going to Edinburgh.. Anyway thanks for your support :-).

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Motherwell Preset Possessions 10/03/2018 at 17:44 #106609
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HST125Scorton in post 106595 said:
Peter Bennet in post 106593 said:
HST125Scorton in post 106591 said:
Peter Bennet in post 106580 said:
That scenario unintentional, though not necessarily wrong! Trains can be talked past MC439 with 324 points reverse. Though I expect it'd need to be talked past the GPLs as well, which might be less typical as I presume permission would be given to proceed right through to the platforms.

Peter
I reversed points 324A/B Carstairs South Jn and tried routing from MC439 to MC413 via MC421 shunt signal but that didn’t work only MC421 to MC413 cleared so I would have to make trains PSAD to get it to MC421.
It is true that there is no signalled route from MC439 to MC413 or MC421 across Points 324A/B reversed but there's nothing to stop you talking the train past MC439 with these points reversed. Might require a pilotman in reality, I don't know, but it should be possible. IF that is impossible then let me know and I'll rewrite it, if it works then I may leave it as-is as it adds to the scenario.

Peter
4S83 PSAD at MC439 to get to MC421, Points 324A/B reversed, 4S83 happily goes without question I get the route MC421 to MC413 then to MC407 and happy days train on it's way North. I will presume a pilotman will there at the junction for the trains north. So it has worked via PSAD but I would think it would be idea to have that T603 bit removed to allow trains to normally be signalled? But do we need to be sat there authorising PSADs for every train going North expect the ones going to Edinburgh.. Anyway thanks for your support :-).
It's supposed to be a "difficult" scenario and although I may not have intended it to work that way, it does work. If you really don't like it then if it occurs you can always relaunch and hope a different scenario presents itself.

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Motherwell Preset Possessions 10/03/2018 at 17:47 #106610
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Peter Bennet in post 106609 said:
HST125Scorton in post 106595 said:
Peter Bennet in post 106593 said:
HST125Scorton in post 106591 said:
Peter Bennet in post 106580 said:
That scenario unintentional, though not necessarily wrong! Trains can be talked past MC439 with 324 points reverse. Though I expect it'd need to be talked past the GPLs as well, which might be less typical as I presume permission would be given to proceed right through to the platforms.

Peter
I reversed points 324A/B Carstairs South Jn and tried routing from MC439 to MC413 via MC421 shunt signal but that didn’t work only MC421 to MC413 cleared so I would have to make trains PSAD to get it to MC421.
It is true that there is no signalled route from MC439 to MC413 or MC421 across Points 324A/B reversed but there's nothing to stop you talking the train past MC439 with these points reversed. Might require a pilotman in reality, I don't know, but it should be possible. IF that is impossible then let me know and I'll rewrite it, if it works then I may leave it as-is as it adds to the scenario.

Peter
4S83 PSAD at MC439 to get to MC421, Points 324A/B reversed, 4S83 happily goes without question I get the route MC421 to MC413 then to MC407 and happy days train on it's way North. I will presume a pilotman will there at the junction for the trains north. So it has worked via PSAD but I would think it would be idea to have that T603 bit removed to allow trains to normally be signalled? But do we need to be sat there authorising PSADs for every train going North expect the ones going to Edinburgh.. Anyway thanks for your support :-).
It's supposed to be a "difficult" scenario and although I may not have intended it to work that way, it does work. If you really don't like it then if it occurs you can always relaunch and hope a different scenario presents itself.

Peter

It's ok Peter, After using my brain I'm happy with the result 4S83 PSAD at MC439 to get to MC421, Points 324A/B reversed, 4S83 happily goes without question I get the route MC421 to MC413 then to MC407 and happy days train on it's way North.

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Motherwell Preset Possessions 10/03/2018 at 17:47 #106611
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clive in post 106582 said:
GeoffM in post 106570 said:
He can't do the thread title (the one that appears in Latest Posts and elsewhere). I have done that now, after having to double check the spelling of possessions... and I'm sober!
But you still left the place name wrong.
I didn't notice that bit.

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Motherwell Preset Possessions 10/03/2018 at 20:18 #106621
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GeoffM in post 106611 said:
clive in post 106582 said:
GeoffM in post 106570 said:
He can't do the thread title (the one that appears in Latest Posts and elsewhere). I have done that now, after having to double check the spelling of possessions... and I'm sober!
But you still left the place name wrong.
I didn't notice that bit.
But you said that you were sober lol!

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Motherwell Preset Possessions 10/03/2018 at 21:06 #106625
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BarryM in post 106621 said:
GeoffM in post 106611 said:
clive in post 106582 said:
GeoffM in post 106570 said:
He can't do the thread title (the one that appears in Latest Posts and elsewhere). I have done that now, after having to double check the spelling of possessions... and I'm sober!
But you still left the place name wrong.
I didn't notice that bit.
But you said that you were sober lol!

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I was, but sometimes one just sees what they expect to see, not what is actually there. And may have been focusing too much on the spelling of possession which, today, is obvious but yesterday I seemed to have had a brain fart on that one.

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