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London Bridge recent update 21/06/2018 at 22:11 #109834
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Maybe it's time to reintroduce TD suffixes for those few special cases where trains with the same headcode are scheduled to run at roughly the same time?
Thanks to UIDs doing this shouldn't affect activities, rules or neighbouring chained sims, as those would still be referring to those trains via the UID and therefore wouldn't care about the exact "spelling" of the TD. For the timetable popup and ARS on the other hand the TD suffix might just be enough to enable the system to distinguish those two trains?

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London Bridge recent update 21/06/2018 at 22:21 #109835
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postal in post 109833 said:
For example, how does the core code know to give TRTS for a train standing at a station even though when you click on the TD you get the TT for the other train in sim?
That'll be driven by the train itself, which is entirely separate to the train describer. Notice that even if the train description in a platform is wrong, the 'TRTS for...' message gives the correct TD.

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London Bridge recent update 21/06/2018 at 22:27 #109836
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Steamer in post 109835 said:
postal in post 109833 said:
For example, how does the core code know to give TRTS for a train standing at a station even though when you click on the TD you get the TT for the other train in sim?
That'll be driven by the train itself, which is entirely separate to the train describer. Notice that even if the train description in a platform is wrong, the 'TRTS for...' message gives the correct TD.
^ That. Just think of the train describer as something completely unrelated to the train. After all, you can interpose whatever you want, wherever you want. How could the sim know which 1A02 to lookup if there are two trains in the sim and you randomly interpose 1A02 somewhere?

It does already "cheat" in that it looks for an active train - for example, if only one of those 1A02 trains were in the sim, the lookup would return the correct timetable. But when both trains exist, it has no way of knowing which one you mean.

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London Bridge recent update 21/06/2018 at 23:01 #109837
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slatteryc in post 109821 said:
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ncidentally if the TD of the first 2B18 is not deleted, the ARS handles the second 2B18 without a problem
It does not . The second 2B18 gets stuck without ARS just outside Sydenham with a pink unable to do ARS. That was how I noticed it !
I think you must have a different version of the timetable to me.

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London Bridge recent update 22/06/2018 at 17:08 #109861
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Airvan00 in post 109837 said:
slatteryc in post 109821 said:
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ncidentally if the TD of the first 2B18 is not deleted, the ARS handles the second 2B18 without a problem
It does not . The second 2B18 gets stuck without ARS just outside Sydenham with a pink unable to do ARS. That was how I noticed it !
I think you must have a different version of the timetable to me.
Does it or doesn't it...what happened when the timetable was being tested before it was issued/published. Was anything reported at the time.

I think Headshot's response convinced me about the need for UID's to enable next workings being picked up but Cardiff is not ARS so doesn't really address the issue in question i.e. ARS, although we all know that ARS is not to be relied upon at all times and is only to used to assist.

Postal's suggestion makes sense about the UID being used in possible future deliberations but what may upset the applecart is that on a timetable created to be more than 24 hours (which some are) then the actual UID as gleaned from RTT etc. is replicated for a Monday working to a Tuesday Working etc. for the same service and headcode/TD. We could always use the random function to overcome this.

I seem to remember Jan's solution from days gone by with sims like Exeter and Kings Cross but cannot remember if it was a satisfactory way of doing things

At the end of the day we have what we have and any help from ARS in some of the sims has got to be a bonus for single players like me.

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London Bridge recent update 22/06/2018 at 17:32 #109864
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northroad in post 109861 said:
Does it or doesn't it...what happened when the timetable was being tested before it was issued/published. Was anything reported at the time.
What happened during testing was that it got written into the user manual for the simulation... before it was released.

UIDs won't help in this instance, as already explained more than once. Suffixes or renaming (like nZnn) would cure it but needs care with adjacent simulations.

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London Bridge recent update 23/06/2018 at 20:15 #109882
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Jan in post 109834 said:
Maybe it's time to reintroduce TD suffixes for those few special cases where trains with the same headcode are scheduled to run at roughly the same time?
TD suffixes also don’t work if you’re trying to look up the TT of a train that isn’t in sim (hasn’t entered yet or has already left). You get the TT of the one that is in sim, even if you typed a suffix and the train in sim has a different suffix from the one you typed. Which is rather annoying when you tell it you want -1 and you get the -2 TT anyway.

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London Bridge recent update 24/06/2018 at 12:13 #109887
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Could not something be designed, that when clicking on a Train Description for its timetable(schedule), if there are more than one in the sim, for every train of the same number, they be listed as " train description + time + origin + destination" in a drop down menu and the user could then select the correct one to obtained the required timetable (schedule)?

Network Rail's CCF system works in the way mentioned above. CCF for those who do not know what it is, is a layout map system much like "Open Train Times" or "Traksy" or "BRTV", which displays trains running along with time delay data in the form of a colour. Network Rail Signallers cannot click on Train Descriptions on their signalling diplays as the software is not there like with Simsig, Signallers use CCF to get the same info obtained in Simsig.

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London Bridge recent update 24/06/2018 at 13:04 #109892
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Giantray in post 109887 said:
Could not something be designed, that when clicking on a Train Description for its timetable(schedule), if there are more than one in the sim, for every train of the same number, they be listed as " train description + time + origin + destination" in a drop down menu and the user could then select the correct one to obtained the required timetable (schedule)?
Maybe it could be a little more simpler if there's more than one identical headcode, could the sim just not have a secondry read of the UID field as well ??

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London Bridge recent update 24/06/2018 at 18:31 #109899
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Giantray in post 109887 said:
Could not something be designed, that when clicking on a Train Description for its timetable(schedule), if there are more than one in the sim, for every train of the same number, they be listed as " train description + time + origin + destination" in a drop down menu and the user could then select the correct one to obtained the required timetable (schedule)?
Not a bad idea.

Giantray in post 109887 said:
Network Rail's CCF system works in the way mentioned above. CCF for those who do not know what it is, is a layout map system much like "Open Train Times" or "Traksy" or "BRTV", which displays trains running along with time delay data in the form of a colour. Network Rail Signallers cannot click on Train Descriptions on their signalling diplays as the software is not there like with Simsig, Signallers use CCF to get the same info obtained in Simsig.
You're right that you can't click on a headcode to bring up its timetable, but you should be able to type a keyboard command to query the ARS. However, it has the same problem: it sees two duplicate TDs and doesn't know which is which.

Meld in post 109892 said:
Maybe it could be a little more simpler if there's more than one identical headcode, could the sim just not have a secondry read of the UID field as well ??
There is no UID in a TD berth, just a TD.

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