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| Inspector Sands - What do the trains do? 11/08/2018 at 18:29 #110909 | |
rfw
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When a station is evacuated what do the trains do? I guess that... Trains on approach to the station don't call Those already in the station are dispatched if possible or frozen in place I don't know what would happen to train terminating there. Turned short I guess. Obviously you don't want to introduce more people to an evacuated/evacuating station And I guess it depends on the situation and location. But for the purpose of this question, let's say it's London Bridge station (a station with both terminating and through platforms) and the reason for the evacuation is a large herd of rabid sheep, that happen to be on fire, running around the concourse. What happens to the following categories of train: 1) Due to pass through non-stop 2) Due to call 3) Currently stopped, awaiting departure 4) Due to terminate The train now standing on platform 2, should be on the rails Last edited: 11/08/2018 at 18:29 by rfw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Inspector Sands - What do the trains do? 11/08/2018 at 18:47 #110910 | |
Splodge
701 posts |
Suspect it's considered case-by-case by the duty/station manager liasing with the fire service and signallers. At my large terminus station, the call could relate to a small kitchen fire in a staff area quite a way from the trains, so stopping all trains for that would be madness!
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| Inspector Sands - What do the trains do? 11/08/2018 at 19:27 #110911 | |
headshot119
4869 posts |
Different stations have different rules. Birmingham New Street used to have (May still have a rule), that trains in platforms with proceed aspects should depart irrespective of the booked departure time. Some of the glasgow underground stations used to have (May still have a rule), that allowed a driver to detrain at the previous station, and proceed to the affected station, pick up anyone on the platform, and depart when advised by the duty manager. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Inspector Sands - What do the trains do? 11/08/2018 at 20:08 #110916 | |
Steamer
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As I understand it, following the terrorist attack at Manchester Arena last year (which is directly above platforms 3-6 at Manchester Victoria station), everything on the approach was stopped and either diverted to Piccadilly/Oxford Rd side or crossed over and sent back where it came from. As it was about 22:30, there wouldn't have been much approaching. Every train in the station at the time did not move- I assume the traincrew made them safe before evacuating the passengers and, in many cases, doing their best to help casualties. The trains that were in the station at the time were not moved until the end of the week, after the police released the main part of the station and structural checks confirmed that the building was safe.
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| Inspector Sands - What do the trains do? 11/08/2018 at 20:29 #110917 | |
Hap
984 posts |
rfw in post 110909 said:When a station is evacuated what do the trains do?For SR... On the basis that the running lines are not affected. 1) Continue to pass through 2) Passes through, not calling 3) (only through personal experience... Had the road but still had to detrain and evacuate) 4) Trapped if no where else to go, or terminated short if possible and stepped up to next service if crews are in place. Using Waverley as an example. Trains from Glasgow Central would turn back at Shotts or West Calder. Trains from Queen Street would terminate and turn at Linlithgow with E&G services reduced to half hourly Trains from Helensburgh and Milngavie would terminate at Bathgate and reduced. Fife services would be heavily disrupted if not suspended. Haymarket can be used to turn trains around using Platforms 0,1,2 and 4. Long distances would held at Newcastle/Berwick upon Tweed and Carlisle. WCML may be diverted to into Central. Again, this is all based on a long closure of Waverley. But in reality everything would slowly come to a stop as Crews would soon be out of position/breaks/finishing. So skeleton service until normal working restored and sets and crews were back where they are meant to be. How to report an issue: www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:reportanissue Log in to reply |
| Inspector Sands - What do the trains do? 11/08/2018 at 21:31 #110921 | |
ajax103
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About 2 years ago, I was working at a station on the GN and at 3am some firestarters decided to set some stuff on fire at the back of the retail unit which backed on to the railway, not a problem you might think but as this incident involved gas cylinders, this meant a emergency call to the signaller and to the train service control for a total line blockade until the fire service were happy that the gas cylinders were safe. If gas cylinders were not involved then I would say that the lines would have remained opened but at reduced speed though the affect area. Log in to reply |
| Inspector Sands - What do the trains do? 11/08/2018 at 22:52 #110925 | |
clive
2737 posts |
Some years ago I was on a train from King's Cross to Huntingdon. For some time I could see smoke rising from somewhere ahead. Eventually we came to a stop at Offord Level Crossing and I could see that a building beside the track was on fire. After a while we were allowed to proceed right past the fire (okay, with two tracks between us).
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| Inspector Sands - What do the trains do? 11/08/2018 at 23:29 #110927 | |
Peter Bennet
5357 posts |
ajax103 in post 110921 said:About 2 years ago, I was working at a station on the GN and at 3am some firestarters decided to set some stuff on fire at the back of the retail unit which backed on to the railway, not a problem you might think but as this incident involved gas cylinders, this meant a emergency call to the signaller and to the train service control for a total line blockade until the fire service were happy that the gas cylinders were safe.Back in 2006, when they were constructing the office block on York Way that overlooks KX Signal Box there was a fire involving gas cylinders and the box had to be evacuated. This lasted 2 days I recall and the line was run on an emergency timetable to/from Finsbury Park with the emergency panels in the relay rooms being used to operate the signalling. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Inspector Sands - What do the trains do? 12/08/2018 at 13:05 #110932 | |
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Muzer
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I was at Paddington about to get on a train when the station was evacuated (false fire alarm AFAICT, or perhaps it was a minor fire, in that food outlet with the French-sounding name which I've forgotten). As far as I'm aware everything was halted on approach, and trains weren't allowed to leave (the train I was aiming for was due to depart reasonably soon but instead it was evacuated, and we all eventually got back on it when the station was reopened). Though they didn't have enough staff to properly manage the evacuation and they didn't make it clear when the evacuation was over, so there was a bit of chaos with lots of people going back in before the thing was actually over and then being shooed out again! I think they needed to continuously sound the evacuation announcement to help avoid this confusion, which they weren't doing. Last edited: 12/08/2018 at 13:05 by Muzer Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Inspector Sands - What do the trains do? 12/08/2018 at 16:00 #110935 | |
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Table 52
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rfw in post 110909 said:But for the purpose of this question, let's say it's London Bridge station (a station with both terminating and through platforms) and the reason for the evacuation is a large herd of rabid sheep, that happen to be on fire, running around the concourseHerd the sheep onto platform 1, run Cannon Street services through platforms 2 & 3 while waiting for the sheep to burn away to nothing. Note to developers: could "rabid flaming sheep" be added as a future delay reason, possibly to replace "wrong kind of food trolley" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Ar88 |
| Inspector Sands - What do the trains do? 12/08/2018 at 16:15 #110936 | |
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headshot119
4869 posts |
Table 52 in post 110935 said:rfw in post 110909 said:Where's the like button.But for the purpose of this question, let's say it's London Bridge station (a station with both terminating and through platforms) and the reason for the evacuation is a large herd of rabid sheep, that happen to be on fire, running around the concourseHerd the sheep onto platform 1, run Cannon Street services through platforms 2 & 3 while waiting for the sheep to burn away to nothing. Logged as Mantis 21427 "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Ar88, Trainfan344, rfw, Temple Meads, Table 52 |
| Inspector Sands - What do the trains do? 12/08/2018 at 21:10 #110954 | |
Ar88
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headshot119 in post 110936 said:Table 52 in post 110935 said:Would be far-more realistic on Valleys/VoG, considering there has NEVER been trains with food trolleys up there.rfw in post 110909 said:Where's the like button.But for the purpose of this question, let's say it's London Bridge station (a station with both terminating and through platforms) and the reason for the evacuation is a large herd of rabid sheep, that happen to be on fire, running around the concourseHerd the sheep onto platform 1, run Cannon Street services through platforms 2 & 3 while waiting for the sheep to burn away to nothing. Sheep though - well it is South Wales... The Welsh contingent. Aron, or Ar to mates. Also known as 88E or ThatManCalledAr. Log in to reply |