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| Acronym help needed (BOCL/TOCL) 02/03/2019 at 15:33 #116121 | |
Noisynoel
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Looking through some old loco workings from 1984 there is a class 37 which shows the following:- Humberstone Road 08:50 9T40 Loughborough 09:16 09:19 (B.O.C.L) Hotchley Hill 09:41 10:05 Hotchley Hill 11:00 11:30 Loughborough 11:51 11:54 (T.O.C.L) Humberstone Road 12:23 The question is does anyone know what B.O.C.L & T.O.C.L Stand for? 99% sure they are not a place. Can anyone enlighten me please. Ta Noisynoel Log in to reply |
| Acronym help needed (BOCL/TOCL) 02/03/2019 at 16:07 #116123 | |
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mfloyd
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something to do with Carriage Lines? Google doesn't help at all...Hotchley Hill is something to do with British Gypsum I think
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| Acronym help needed (BOCL/TOCL) 02/03/2019 at 16:23 #116125 | |
58050
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These codes are from 1984 Midland Lines Trip Notices & as such aren't to do with passenger workings. These codes code be specific to Loughborough Yard. There's nothing in the BR LMR Sectional Appendix for 1988 that enlightens us. I'm currently looking through all the 20-30 trip notices I have to see if these codes have been used elsewhere. But so far haven't found anything.
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| Acronym help needed (BOCL/TOCL) 02/03/2019 at 16:52 #116127 | |
jc92
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3 minutes is a very short dwell time for any activity at a location. Are they actually activities at Loughborough rather than locations? Was there a token for hotchley Hill at the time that was collected here? "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Acronym help needed (BOCL/TOCL) 02/03/2019 at 17:23 #116128 | |
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58050
2650 posts |
Could well be to do with the token for the Hotchley Hill line which was kept no doubt at that time in Loughborough North signalbox. The 3 minutes would cover that.
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| Acronym help needed (BOCL/TOCL) 02/03/2019 at 17:25 #116129 | |
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Noisynoel
989 posts |
However, collecting and returning tokens happens in numerous places but isn't shown anywhere else in the diagrams
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| Acronym help needed (BOCL/TOCL) 02/03/2019 at 20:11 #116133 | |
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58050
2650 posts |
It would appear that these letters refer to Top Of Chord Line & Bottom Of Chord Line.
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| Acronym help needed (BOCL/TOCL) 02/03/2019 at 20:42 #116134 | |
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clive
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58050 in post 116133 said:It would appear that these letters refer to Top Of Chord Line & Bottom Of Chord Line.Huh. I'd just worked out that "C.L." was "Chord Line" and therefore the "O." was probably "on". My guess is that it means that the timings for Loughborough are *not* for the station but, rather, for the appropriate end of the chord line. Since it was clearly on a slope, "bottom" will be the Midland end and "top" the GCR end. Log in to reply |
| Acronym help needed (BOCL/TOCL) 03/03/2019 at 16:08 #116163 | |
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Phil-jmw
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58050 in post 116128 said:Could well be to do with the token for the Hotchley Hill line which was kept no doubt at that time in Loughborough North signalbox. The 3 minutes would cover that.There wasn't a token kept in Loughborough box (it would have been a long walk for the signalman if there had). As far as I can recall the Ruddington branch was OTW Without Train Staff. When a train went on the branch two lamps on the box diagram became illuminated, indicating a train on the branch. I'll see if I can dig out a photo. AS an aside, I don't know if this was intentional or not, but when Leicester PSB was commissioned the signal from the former GCR Ruddington branch to the Up Goods (now Up Slow) at Loughborough South Jn was (and still is) numbered LR506, coincidentally the same number as preserved GCR 'Director' class loco 'Butler Henderson'. Edit:- The photo I have is taken from the wrong end of the diagram so it's not possible to see the 'Branch Occupied' indication clearly. Last edited: 03/03/2019 at 16:15 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Acronym help needed (BOCL/TOCL) 03/03/2019 at 17:15 #116164 | |
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jc92
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clive in post 116134 said:58050 in post 116133 said:Was the connection released by Annette's key or by a lever in Lboro box?It would appear that these letters refer to Top Of Chord Line & Bottom Of Chord Line.Huh. I'd just worked out that "C.L." was "Chord Line" and therefore the "O." was probably "on". 3 mins would cover ringing the box, working the frame and getting the train clear of the mainline in both directions. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Acronym help needed (BOCL/TOCL) 03/03/2019 at 18:18 #116165 | |
KymriskaDraken
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jc92 in post 116164 said:clive in post 116134 said:But what about the cup of tea?58050 in post 116133 said:Was the connection released by Annette's key or by a lever in Lboro box?It would appear that these letters refer to Top Of Chord Line & Bottom Of Chord Line.Huh. I'd just worked out that "C.L." was "Chord Line" and therefore the "O." was probably "on". Kev Log in to reply |
| Acronym help needed (BOCL/TOCL) 03/03/2019 at 21:25 #116185 | |
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Phil-jmw
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jc92 in post 116164 said:clive in post 116134 said:It was a signalled move off the Down Goods onto the branch and a signalled move from the branch to the Up Goods. There was no ground frame. The same signalled moves exist to this day, albeit now controlled from EMCC Derby, and before that Leicester PSB. I'm not sure when the Goods lines were upgraded to Slow lines, it may have been for the introduction of the 'Ivanhoe service between Leicester and Loughborough in 1993.58050 in post 116133 said:Was the connection released by Annette's key or by a lever in Lboro box?It would appear that these letters refer to Top Of Chord Line & Bottom Of Chord Line.Huh. I'd just worked out that "C.L." was "Chord Line" and therefore the "O." was probably "on". Last edited: 03/03/2019 at 21:36 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Acronym help needed (BOCL/TOCL) 03/03/2019 at 23:38 #116186 | |
Edgemaster
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Phil-jmw in post 116185 said:I'm not sure when the Goods lines were upgraded to Slow lines, it may have been for the introduction of the 'Ivanhoe service between Leicester and Loughborough in 1993.The goods lines were upgraded to the slows with the April 1987 resignalling to Leicester PSB. Last edited: 03/03/2019 at 23:40 by Edgemaster Reason: None given Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Phil-jmw, JamesN |
| Acronym help needed (BOCL/TOCL) 04/03/2019 at 00:08 #116188 | |
belly buster
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Phil-jmw in post 116163 said:58050 in post 116128 said:Just got "sidetracked" with thoughts of Vicki Butler Henderson ... these things happen ... and wondering if any relation (answer: yes).Could well be to do with the token for the Hotchley Hill line which was kept no doubt at that time in Loughborough North signalbox. The 3 minutes would cover that.There wasn't a token kept in Loughborough box (it would have been a long walk for the signalman if there had). As far as I can recall the Ruddington branch was OTW Without Train Staff. When a train went on the branch two lamps on the box diagram became illuminated, indicating a train on the branch. I'll see if I can dig out a photo. As you were ... Log in to reply |