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1980s UK InterCity Routes 07/03/2019 at 08:55 #116233
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While playing the Edinburgh/North East Scotland session recently I noticed two interesting working I hadn't heard of before which I guess were IC services?

1E28 0940 Glasgow Queen Street to Scarborough
1M94 0840 Edinburgh to Blackpool North

Does anyone know what the stopping pattern was for these two services and if there were return workings at all?

Also which will help but did Blackpool North/Scarborough see any other IC services and lastly with regards to the Manchester/Liverpool to Glasgow/Edinburgh services were they classed as IC or Regional Railways services?

Any help would be great

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1980s UK InterCity Routes 07/03/2019 at 09:16 #116234
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The Scarborough service did have a back working, not sure of times or headcodes.

They also attempted extending it to Hull via the coast, but then it was too late to get back.

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1980s UK InterCity Routes 07/03/2019 at 09:56 #116235
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ajax103 in post 116233 said:
While playing the Edinburgh/North East Scotland session recently I noticed two interesting working I hadn't heard of before which I guess were IC services?

1E28 0940 Glasgow Queen Street to Scarborough
1M94 0840 Edinburgh to Blackpool North

Does anyone know what the stopping pattern was for these two services and if there were return workings at all?

Also which will help but did Blackpool North/Scarborough see any other IC services and lastly with regards to the Manchester/Liverpool to Glasgow/Edinburgh services were they classed as IC or Regional Railways services?

Any help would be great :)
What year?

Blackpool used to have regular IC west Coast workings to/from Euston.

Scarborough was served by regional railways services.

In. The 1991 WTT there's a Stockport to Glasgow working which is IC and the back working runs to Paddington I think. Theres no direct Manchester to Glasgow but if there was in a similar year it would have been RR.

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1980s UK InterCity Routes 07/03/2019 at 10:31 #116236
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During Glasgow/EdinBurgh holiday weeks services ran to both Scarborough and Blackpool and many of these workings date back to the early post war years.Shown in 1953 Wtt.

I/C carried on with these two services well into the 80s with the Blackpool also running during Blackpool Illuminations period too.

The Scarborough ran via the East coast calling at Dunbar Newcastle and Darlington with a York reversal.The return working used to dep Scarborough mid morning.In steam days odd services used the Gilling line which bypassed York until it was closed.

The only thing I can recall about the Blackpool was during steam days it used to go around the houses at Preston using thr Farringdon curves ,passing through Preston twice within 30 mins.

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1980s UK InterCity Routes 07/03/2019 at 10:35 #116237
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The timetables that were in use for the sessions were 1985.
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1980s UK InterCity Routes 07/03/2019 at 11:18 #116238
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Was it a Saturday TT or was it a weekday TT?
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1980s UK InterCity Routes 07/03/2019 at 11:40 #116239
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In 1989 the Glasgow - Scarborough service was still running as an I/C service with 47 haulage to York with a reversal .All during the 89s it dep Glasgow at 0940 with the return leaving Scarborough mid morning.

I have a photo of it on July 19th 1989 north of York.

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1980s UK InterCity Routes 07/03/2019 at 12:14 #116240
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norman B in post 116238 said:
Was it a Saturday TT or was it a weekday TT?
That I don't know, all I know is the timetable is a 1985 based one.

norman B in post 116239 said:
In 1989 the Glasgow - Scarborough service was still running as an I/C service with 47 haulage to York with a reversal .All during the 89s it dep Glasgow at 0940 with the return leaving Scarborough mid morning.

I have a photo of it on July 19th 1989 north of York.
I don't suppose you know what the calling pattern at all?

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1980s UK InterCity Routes 07/03/2019 at 16:12 #116244
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I will have a look through some stuff that I have re East Coast during the 80s.

If I find anything of interest on this topic I will post Friday.

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1980s UK InterCity Routes 07/03/2019 at 16:52 #116246
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The timetable is a weekday timetable - with the summer SO services added to spice things up a little (TT Dev prerogative)
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1980s UK InterCity Routes 08/03/2019 at 11:23 #116255
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Hi,

My findings are that the outward stops are Dunbar,Berwick ,Alnmouth Newcastle,Durham, Darlington and York.Scarborough arr mid afternoon.

The return called used the same stopping pattern in reverse however I cannot find any accurate timings for this.

As a footnote the stopping pattern is the result of combining the stops from two previous services which ran for many ,many years being a Glasgow -York followed 20mins later by the Glasgow - Scarborough.

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1980s UK InterCity Routes 08/03/2019 at 15:07 #116256
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norman B in post 116255 said:
Hi,

My findings are that the outward stops are Dunbar,Berwick ,Alnmouth Newcastle,Durham, Darlington and York.Scarborough arr mid afternoon.

The return called used the same stopping pattern in reverse however I cannot find any accurate timings for this.

As a footnote the stopping pattern is the result of combining the stops from two previous services which ran for many ,many years being a Glasgow -York followed 20mins later by the Glasgow - Scarborough.
So fast between Glasgow and Dunbar?

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1980s UK InterCity Routes 08/03/2019 at 20:12 #116268
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No,Just Edinburgh!!!

I took that for granted - sorry

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1980s UK InterCity Routes 09/03/2019 at 02:59 #116288
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The '84/85 Timetable I have shows leaving Glasgow QS at 0835, then;

Falkirk High 0853u
Edinburgh 0940u
Berwick 1031
Newcastle 1135 - 1138
Darlington 1211 - 1213
Scarborough 1356

Not shown as calling at York for pick up or set down.

return working at 1520 calling at;

Darlington 1658-1659
Newcastle 1740-1743
Berwick 1840
Edinburgh 1947s
Falkirk High 2027s
Glasgow QS 2053

Not shown as calling at York for pick up or set down.

Ran Saturdays only 26 May - 25 August

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1980s UK InterCity Routes 09/03/2019 at 03:11 #116289
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The Blackpool service: (Sat only 30 June - 25 August)

Edinburgh 0840
Haymarket 0843
Carstairs 0930-0938
Carlisle 1035-1037
Lancaster 1132s
Preston 1157s
Blackpool North 1234

Can't see any return service but there was also a Glasgow C - Blackpool N and return.

EDIT: There was a return service to Edinburgh from Blackpool N at 1428, calling at:

Preston 1459u
Lancaster 1520u
Carlisle 1622 - 1625
Carstairs 1724
Haymarket 1801
Edinburgh 1804

Last edited: 09/03/2019 at 09:02 by flymo
Reason: Updated with return service

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1980s UK InterCity Routes 09/03/2019 at 05:41 #116290
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flymo in post 116289 said:
The Blackpool service: (Sat only 30 June - 25 August)

Edinburgh 0840
Haymarket 0843
Carstairs 0930-0938
Carlisle 1035-1037
Lancaster 1132s
Preston 1157s
Blackpool North 1234

Can't see any return service but there was also a Glasgow C - Blackpool N and return.
That's great thank you, I don't suppose it's too much to ask what the stops were on the Glasgow to Blackpool service?

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1980s UK InterCity Routes 09/03/2019 at 08:50 #116293
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No problem

Glasgow C 0830
Kilmarnock 0903
Dumfries 1023
Carlisle 1058 - 1109
Lancaster 1204s
Preston 1229s
Kirkham & Wesham 1249s
Blackpool N 1308

Return at 1440
Kirkham & Wesham 1455u
Preston 1514u
Lancaster 1534u
Carlisle 1642 - 1656
Dumfries 1721
Kilmarnock 1847
Glasgow C 1925

Last edited: 09/03/2019 at 09:03 by flymo
Reason: Removed reference to return Edinburgh service

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