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1991 timetable 09/12/2019 at 11:38 #122167
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Currently there isn't really anything you can do in all honesty. You can try holding it at milford jcn but you're likely to delay further trains coming from GW and there's no way in the TT editor to prevent early entry. There's the always enter on time option but then the train will never run late either.
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1991 timetable 09/12/2019 at 13:34 #122169
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jc92 in post 122167 said:
Currently there isn't really anything you can do in all honesty. You can try holding it at milford jcn but you're likely to delay further trains coming from GW and there's no way in the TT editor to prevent early entry. There's the always enter on time option but then the train will never run late either.
Would the train call wrong route if you were to send it into the through sidings at GW, and hold it there?

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1991 timetable 09/12/2019 at 14:25 #122170
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lazzer in post 122169 said:
jc92 in post 122167 said:
Currently there isn't really anything you can do in all honesty. You can try holding it at milford jcn but you're likely to delay further trains coming from GW and there's no way in the TT editor to prevent early entry. There's the always enter on time option but then the train will never run late either.
Would the train call wrong route if you were to send it into the through sidings at GW, and hold it there?
there's no crossover to facilitate it running into Milford west sidings from GW.

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1991 timetable 09/12/2019 at 14:34 #122171
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jc92 in post 122170 said:
lazzer in post 122169 said:
jc92 in post 122167 said:
Currently there isn't really anything you can do in all honesty. You can try holding it at milford jcn but you're likely to delay further trains coming from GW and there's no way in the TT editor to prevent early entry. There's the always enter on time option but then the train will never run late either.
Would the train call wrong route if you were to send it into the through sidings at GW, and hold it there?
there's no crossover to facilitate it running into Milford west sidings from GW.
That'll teach me to ask a question without looking at the sim first

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1991 timetable 09/12/2019 at 19:26 #122185
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jc92 in post 122170 said:
lazzer in post 122169 said:
[quote=jc92;post=122167]Currently there isn't really anything you can do in all honesty. You can try holding it at milford jcn but you're likely to delay further trains coming from GW and there's no way in the TT editor to prevent early entry. There's the always enter on time option but then the train will never run late either.
Would the train call wrong route if you were to send it into the through sidings at GW, and hold it there?
If the train was very early enough to likely cause delays to following trains, I suppose one could run it in behind 5235 at Milford Junction and reverse it back into the sidings. I know that would involve abandoning timetables and reversing, but it's what I think I would do if I needed to get one out of the way and there was a spare through siding.

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1991 timetable 09/12/2019 at 19:55 #122187
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lazzer in post 122185 said:
jc92 in post 122170 said:
lazzer in post 122169 said:
[quote=jc92;post=122167]Currently there isn't really anything you can do in all honesty. You can try holding it at milford jcn but you're likely to delay further trains coming from GW and there's no way in the TT editor to prevent early entry. There's the always enter on time option but then the train will never run late either.
Would the train call wrong route if you were to send it into the through sidings at GW, and hold it there?
If the train was very early enough to likely cause delays to following trains, I suppose one could run it in behind 5235 at Milford Junction and reverse it back into the sidings. I know that would involve abandoning timetables and reversing, but it's what I think I would do if I needed to get one out of the way and there was a spare through siding.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of doing.

I also had one that was almost 2 hours early for a crew change at Castleford, but luckily nothing came up behind it for that entire time so I parked it on the station approach until the crew was ready (of course, in hindsight if I'd been paying attention I would've parked it in the Goods Loop).

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1991 timetable 11/12/2019 at 04:47 #122213
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I'm working my way through a Friday timetable and I've run into an issue. At around 16:00 0M06 comes out of Knottingley TMD to head to Milford Yard 11 to join 7K46. However there is no 7K46 in the yard, and when I look at the timetable entires, all the 7K46's in the list are FX.

Now, there is a 6K46 in the yard, but that shows no timetable.

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1991 timetable 11/12/2019 at 14:09 #122216
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swiftaw in post 122187 said:
lazzer in post 122185 said:
jc92 in post 122170 said:
lazzer in post 122169 said:
[quote=jc92;post=122167]Currently there isn't really anything you can do in all honesty. You can try holding it at milford jcn but you're likely to delay further trains coming from GW and there's no way in the TT editor to prevent early entry. There's the always enter on time option but then the train will never run late either.
Would the train call wrong route if you were to send it into the through sidings at GW, and hold it there?
If the train was very early enough to likely cause delays to following trains, I suppose one could run it in behind 5235 at Milford Junction and reverse it back into the sidings. I know that would involve abandoning timetables and reversing, but it's what I think I would do if I needed to get one out of the way and there was a spare through siding.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of doing.

I also had one that was almost 2 hours early for a crew change at Castleford, but luckily nothing came up behind it for that entire time so I parked it on the station approach until the crew was ready (of course, in hindsight if I'd been paying attention I would've parked it in the Goods Loop).
I'd be interested in knowing what train that was which required a crew change change 2 hours early. Next time could you make a note of the train ID & the time it entered please so I can check the master timetable.

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1991 timetable 11/12/2019 at 14:23 #122217
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58050 in post 122216 said:
swiftaw in post 122187 said:
lazzer in post 122185 said:
jc92 in post 122170 said:
lazzer in post 122169 said:
[quote=jc92;post=122167]Currently there isn't really anything you can do in all honesty. You can try holding it at milford jcn but you're likely to delay further trains coming from GW and there's no way in the TT editor to prevent early entry. There's the always enter on time option but then the train will never run late either.
Would the train call wrong route if you were to send it into the through sidings at GW, and hold it there?
If the train was very early enough to likely cause delays to following trains, I suppose one could run it in behind 5235 at Milford Junction and reverse it back into the sidings. I know that would involve abandoning timetables and reversing, but it's what I think I would do if I needed to get one out of the way and there was a spare through siding.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of doing.

I also had one that was almost 2 hours early for a crew change at Castleford, but luckily nothing came up behind it for that entire time so I parked it on the station approach until the crew was ready (of course, in hindsight if I'd been paying attention I would've parked it in the Goods Loop).
I'd be interested in knowing what train that was which required a crew change change 2 hours early. Next time could you make a note of the train ID & the time it entered please so I can check the master timetable.
It was 6M64, and I realized it was my mistake. It is supposed to spend 2 hours in the Milford Loop before heading to Castleford for the crew change. I completely overlooked that and sent it straight to Castleford.

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1991 timetable 11/12/2019 at 14:23 #122218
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[quote=swiftaw;post=122213]I'm working my way through a Friday timetable and I've run into an issue. At around 16:00 0M06 comes out of Knottingley TMD to head to Milford Yard 11 to join 7K46. However there is no 7K46 in the yard, and when I look at the timetable entires, all the 7K46's in the list are FX.

Now, there is a 6K46 in the yard, but that shows If the 6K46 you are looking at is the set of 36 empty MGR wagons. then it won't show a timetable as it's not going anywhere as that only refers to the empty wagom set at Milford Sdgs. The timetable data for the train only appears once the loco has been attached & IIRC 0K46 comes LD from Healey Mills & the empty wagon set goes to load at Grimethorpe Colliery.

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1991 timetable 11/12/2019 at 14:29 #122220
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swiftaw in post 122217 said:
58050 in post 122216 said:
swiftaw in post 122187 said:
lazzer in post 122185 said:
jc92 in post 122170 said:
lazzer in post 122169 said:
[quote=jc92;post=122167]Currently there isn't really anything you can do in all honesty. You can try holding it at milford jcn but you're likely to delay further trains coming from GW and there's no way in the TT editor to prevent early entry. There's the always enter on time option but then the train will never run late either.
Would the train call wrong route if you were to send it into the through sidings at GW, and hold it there?
If the train was very early enough to likely cause delays to following trains, I suppose one could run it in behind 5235 at Milford Junction and reverse it back into the sidings. I know that would involve abandoning timetables and reversing, but it's what I think I would do if I needed to get one out of the way and there was a spare through siding.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of doing.

I also had one that was almost 2 hours early for a crew change at Castleford, but luckily nothing came up behind it for that entire time so I parked it on the station approach until the crew was ready (of course, in hindsight if I'd been paying attention I would've parked it in the Goods Loop).
it's most important for users plaing this timetable to read the timetable data for every train, so you can make a note note of the route it is booked to go as well as if it is booked to recess anywhere en route. This is likely to impact on the return working as some trains are governed by rules in minutes which govern when the return working enters. This timrtable is NOT straightforward by any means. Incidentally Kev & I started a Thursday run through of this timetableearlier in the week just to make sure all is in order with the recent amendments.

I'd be interested in knowing what train that was which required a crew change change 2 hours early. Next time could you make a note of the train ID & the time it entered please so I can check the master timetable.
It was 6M64, and I realized it was my mistake. It is supposed to spend 2 hours in the Milford Loop before heading to Castleford for the crew change. I completely overlooked that and sent it straight to Castleford.

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1991 timetable 11/12/2019 at 17:36 #122225
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swiftaw in post 122213 said:
I'm working my way through a Friday timetable and I've run into an issue. At around 16:00 0M06 comes out of Knottingley TMD to head to Milford Yard 11 to join 7K46. However there is no 7K46 in the yard, and when I look at the timetable entires, all the 7K46's in the list are FX.

Now, there is a 6K46 in the yard, but that shows no timetable.
We had a decision on the loco (Cl.58 or Cl.56) but nothing to sort the Day of the Week. Now fixed.

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1991 timetable 09/01/2020 at 09:01 #122803
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I ran into the 2G60 bug that has been previously mentioned in this thread. Version 2.3 of the sim. I included a save game.

Also, a related question. Is 6K94 supposed to wait at WK6826 for 2G60 to clear the branch or are they supposed to pass at the loop?

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Monk Bretton Glass Works Branch Problem 20/11/2020 at 10:04 #133985
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Had another little issue with 2G60 Track Recording Unit as well. When returning from Monk Bretton to Calder Bridge he queried the route at Oakenshaw South Jn stating not booked via Calder Bridge Jn.[/quote]

That has been fixed in a updated version of the sim which will be released shortly[/quote]

Noel,
was this issue with Bretton Glass Works branch ever fixed?
I'm asking because I'm writing a timetable for West Yorkshire which I'm now testing. I have 5Y41 driver trainer unit on the branch, but when it emerges it queries the route at Oakenshaw South Jn (even though the messages says its passed there), also when using Tools 1 - analyse, I get an error message saying its booked to reverse at Calder Bridge Jn, which it isn't.
I've attached two screenshots to show you what I mean.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

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1991 timetable 20/11/2020 at 12:58 #133986
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Looks like the TT failed to step up past Monk Bretton Loop and Royston Jn. (Where is Royston Jn?)
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1991 timetable 20/11/2020 at 13:23 #133988
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Albert in post 133986 said:
Looks like the TT failed to step up past Monk Bretton Loop and Royston Jn. (Where is Royston Jn?)
Royston Jcn Signal box was between Monk Bretton and Oakenshaw and controlled the branch to Monckton Colliery and Coking Plant. While it isnt simulated, its probably still a TIPLOC. there was also a Box at Cudworth Station to control the branch to Monk Bretton and to Grimethorpe Colliery at this time, also not simulated.

I don't think the update was ever pushed out for release.

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1991 timetable 04/01/2021 at 17:29 #135959
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Small issue: The note "Siding 12 is not permissive so the train must be instructed to pass M685 at Danger to attach to the train" has been applied to the wrong 0G02 on Monday. It is on the departing one, 0G02MO580316, instead of the arriving one, 0G02MO0742, where it should be.
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1991 timetable 04/01/2021 at 19:33 #135960
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I will be working on an update at some point this week to sort out a few things users have come across wiith the latest version of this TT incl. anything you've raised too.
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1991 timetable 04/01/2021 at 20:41 #135967
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7K85 (EDIT: talking about 7K850310) and 7K900345 is calling at Knottingley without a crew change while other nightly trains to Drax do change their crew there; is this deliberate or is the crew change missing?
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1991 timetable 05/01/2021 at 00:58 #135974
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Albert in post 135967 said:
7K85 (EDIT: talking about 7K850310) and 7K900345 is calling at Knottingley without a crew change while other nightly trains to Drax do change their crew there; is this deliberate or is the crew change missing?
The MGR coal plan used for this TT doesn't reflect any reason for the stop, except that it does. Those trains shown to have a crew change are all marked accordi8ngly. Some trains stop o pick up the travelling shunter which is what generally happens when booked to stop for a minute.

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1991 timetable 05/01/2021 at 14:57 #136001
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Thanks for the explanation - I didn't know the power station needed a shunter.
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1991 timetable 05/01/2021 at 16:01 #136004
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58050 in post 135974 said:
Albert in post 135967 said:
7K85 (EDIT: talking about 7K850310) and 7K900345 is calling at Knottingley without a crew change while other nightly trains to Drax do change their crew there; is this deliberate or is the crew change missing?
The MGR coal plan used for this TT doesn't reflect any reason for the stop, except that it does. Those trains shown to have a crew change are all marked accordi8ngly. Some trains stop o pick up the travelling shunter which is what generally happens when booked to stop for a minute.
You could make a case for setting that stop as a crew change. Although not a full scale change, the train would have to wait until the shunter was ready so the SimSig crew change is the option that nearest matches what is supposed to happen.

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1991 timetable 05/01/2021 at 16:12 #136005
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It doesn't take as long though, a full crew change is ~2 minutes in SimSig while picking up the shunter probably needs just some seconds assuming the stopping position matches where the shunter is standing.

By the way, I had a train wanting to stop after passing the platform starter yesterday (probably a near end stop - aligning the tail rather than the head) but I haven't yet figured out whether that was because it was missing a far end position or because I used the opposite platform at Knottingley. I believe it was a 7K92, but will look it up for you tonight or tomorrow and compare its TT to that of other trains to see whether this was caused by the sim or the TT.

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1991 timetable 05/01/2021 at 16:32 #136006
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Albert in post 136005 said:
It doesn't take as long though, a full crew change is ~2 minutes in SimSig while picking up the shunter probably needs just some seconds assuming the stopping position matches where the shunter is standing.
A crew change is as long as the author makes it via the trains custom dwell times and the crew change duration in the activity. If you so wished you could define it as 30 seconds or a minute.

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1991 timetable 05/01/2021 at 18:41 #136017
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Albert in post 136005 said:
By the way, I had a train wanting to stop after passing the platform starter yesterday (probably a near end stop - aligning the tail rather than the head) but I haven't yet figured out whether that was because it was missing a far end position or because I used the opposite platform at Knottingley. I believe it was a 7K92, but will look it up for you tonight or tomorrow and compare its TT to that of other trains to see whether this was caused by the sim or the TT.
It was 7K880420 (while an early 7K920455 was in the other platform.) But other trains look the same.

The ones changing crew also have far end stopping position marked, which means they'll stop in front of the signal in either platform 1 or 2 at Knottingley. However the ones not changing crew don't have the stopping position, meaning they will stop past the signal if routed into platform 1 at Knottingley instead of the usual 2.

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