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Crew changes and platform changes 06/06/2019 at 18:59 #118790
WesternChampion
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I've just started a new game on Carlisle (79-80 Tuesday timetable). I got messages showing the crew would be ready for the first up train to P4 at 00:25 and the second up train to P4 at 00:15. So, I amended the timetable for the first train to stop at P3. Then I got a new message showing that the crew for the first train would be ready at 00:10. Is this supposed to happen?

I've put this is general rather than Carlisle as it feels like a general rather than sim-specific issue. If I'm wrong about that, please could mods move the thread accordingly.

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Chris

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Crew changes and platform changes 06/06/2019 at 20:02 #118791
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I don't think the second train has any bearing on this.

As you edited the timetable for the first train, some stuff gets reinitialised. As it's an out-of-course amendment I would indeed expect some things like this to happen by design, not a bug.

There is a feature request in for notifying simple platform alterations in advance of the train arriving, and thus avoiding penalties if informed far enough in advance. There is no timeline for doing this yet.

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Crew changes and platform changes 07/06/2019 at 06:52 #118804
WesternChampion
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GeoffM in post 118791 said:
I don't think the second train has any bearing on this.

As you edited the timetable for the first train, some stuff gets reinitialised. As it's an out-of-course amendment I would indeed expect some things like this to happen by design, not a bug.

There is a feature request in for notifying simple platform alterations in advance of the train arriving, and thus avoiding penalties if informed far enough in advance. There is no timeline for doing this yet.
I agree that the second train has no bearing on the sim working, only on my actions as the signaller in making a platform alteration to prevent a service from being delayed by a train in the platform waiting for a late arriving crew. The problem with the code as it stands is that once you take action to deal with a realistic problem, the original problem itself disappears because the crew arrival time is amended. In theory, you could also game the system by doing platform changes to get an earlier crew arrival time.

Perhaps for realism, I should not edit the platform in the timetable, take the pain on the wrong platform penalty and stick with the original crew arrival time?

Chris

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Crew changes and platform changes 07/06/2019 at 09:36 #118806
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Exactly. I wouldn't bother changing it in the first place anyway. If you platform it on an adjacent platform you also get a smaller penalty.
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Crew changes and platform changes 07/06/2019 at 10:00 #118807
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Of course the points are not, in themselves, a realistic aspect of working a box. I see why they're there (in real life the Control would have been on the blower asking about any delay above a couple of minutes or so, and I guess nowadays there's an army of delay attributors whose phone calls amount to a pretty swingeing penalty). And any bobby who changed a platform at a decent-sized station without advising the paltform staff (and station supervisor if there was one) would get some pretty serious ear bending from those sources too.

Maybe a more realistic (if perhaps rather difficult to implement) way of imposing a 'change of platform' penalty would be that an altered train would have extra time put into its stop, without any other penalty. The amount of time added would depend whether it was an 'opposite side' change or not (as for the penalties at present), and would reduce in proportion to the length of time since the decision to change was made. Perhaps I'll start a 'feature request' thread on this.

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