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Train 6Z07 and Upperby Yard 14/08/2019 at 15:07 #120028
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I’ve looked through quite a few posts, but can’t find anything about my little problem.

In the Summer 2018 Weekday Carlisle timetable (Loader 4.14), train 6Z07 is scheduled to leave Upperby TMD, reverse at Upperby Bridge Junction Run-Round (signal 935) and then make its way to Kingmoor Depot.
After a number of attempts, the only way that I can get it to do so once it has stopped at 395, is by abandoning its timetable, normalising and closing the Ground Frame and setting the appropriate route, after which I select ‘Run to another timetable’ in F2 and set that accordingly.
As it’s likely that I am doing something wrong, would someone kindly tell me what the correct procedure is please.

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My goodness, that was difficult, but I managed it.
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Train 6Z07 and Upperby Yard 14/08/2019 at 16:05 #120033
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Wrong tt location if it reverses towards kingmoor. I haven't got the sim to hand but upper by RR is only for use on locos running round their train. If it's just dropping out and reversing it should use upperbyy through goods.
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Train 6Z07 and Upperby Yard 14/08/2019 at 16:47 #120034
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jc92 in post 120033 said:
Wrong tt location if it reverses towards kingmoor. I haven't got the sim to hand but upper by RR is only for use on locos running round their train. If it's just dropping out and reversing it should use upperbyy through goods.
That's where I sent it on the very first run through as it's the obvious route. It didn't work as far as I can remember, that's why I resorted to the run-arond route and the Ground Frame.
I'll have to give it another go and I'll write down the steps that I take.
We'll see what happens and I'll keep you posted.

My goodness, that was difficult, but I managed it.
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Train 6Z07 and Upperby Yard 14/08/2019 at 17:34 #120035
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bugsy in post 120034 said:
jc92 in post 120033 said:
Wrong tt location if it reverses towards kingmoor. I haven't got the sim to hand but upper by RR is only for use on locos running round their train. If it's just dropping out and reversing it should use upperbyy through goods.
That's where I sent it on the very first run through as it's the obvious route. It didn't work as far as I can remember, that's why I resorted to the run-arond route and the Ground Frame.
I'll have to give it another go and I'll write down the steps that I take.
We'll see what happens and I'll keep you posted.
I eventually got the train to obey my orders and it did proceed towards Carlise, but it took over 10 minutes to get it moving and not the way I would have expected.

This is the chain of events:
1. 16:57 Accepted 6Z07 from Upperby TMD.
2. 17:00 Train stops at what I consider to be CE267 and changes direction from Up to Down.
3. 17:02 I routed the train towards Carlisle.
4. 17:07 Driver phones to say that he's waitng at red signal 9352. This semms odd to me as I don't know why. There's nothing in the manual to help in this situation.
5. 17:09 As the train seems so reluctant to move and calls again, I ask him to PSDA and, to be on the safe side, to examine the line.

All this has happened because there's no visible evidence that signal 9352 exists. I can see the Ground Frame with that description, but no signal. I know that I'm probably stating the obvious, but if 9352 had been visible, perhaps my problem wouldn't have manifested itself.

Oh well. Live and learn.

My goodness, that was difficult, but I managed it.
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Train 6Z07 and Upperby Yard 14/08/2019 at 18:50 #120037
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Sounds like it has a loco run round. Try switching the ground frame and see if the train/loco moves towards Upperby depot. Is there a 0xxx loco shown in F2 waiting to move?
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Train 6Z07 and Upperby Yard 14/08/2019 at 19:33 #120041
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bfcmik in post 120037 said:
Sounds like it has a loco run round. Try switching the ground frame and see if the train/loco moves towards Upperby depot. Is there a 0xxx loco shown in F2 waiting to move?
No, this isn't the case. There is no run-around.
The movement is just as per the timetable and as jc92 says. It's just not very clear what is happening.

However, it's all very clear to me now.

My goodness, that was difficult, but I managed it.
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Train 6Z07 and Upperby Yard 14/08/2019 at 20:21 #120043
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This one I forgot to update in the timetable.

6Z07 Issue:
That's because it has to stop at 'Upperby Through Goods Line' rather than Upperby Bridge Junction. You will find the train did not automatically reverse direction either at your location point. Change Upperby Bridge Jn to Upperby Through GL and remove NX and it will work happily.

https://www.simsig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/49003?postId=118897

Aaron (AJRO)
Last edited: 14/08/2019 at 20:21 by HST125Scorton
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Train 6Z07 and Upperby Yard 14/08/2019 at 22:32 #120046
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HST125Scorton in post 120043 said:
This one I forgot to update in the timetable.

6Z07 Issue:
That's because it has to stop at 'Upperby Through Goods Line' rather than Upperby Bridge Junction. You will find the train did not automatically reverse direction either at your location point. Change Upperby Bridge Jn to Upperby Through GL and remove NX and it will work happily.

https://www.simsig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/49003?postId=118897
Thanks very much for this information.

I'm now only a couple of hours away from finishing this sim. When I have, I'll copy the scores and then play it all over again to see if I can do better, which I'm sure I can.
Must be a glutton for punishment.

My goodness, that was difficult, but I managed it.
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Train 6Z07 and Upperby Yard 14/08/2019 at 22:33 #120047
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Removed because of duplication on my part
My goodness, that was difficult, but I managed it.
Last edited: 14/08/2019 at 22:35 by bugsy
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Train 6Z07 and Upperby Yard 14/08/2019 at 22:59 #120048
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bugsy in post 120046 said:
HST125Scorton in post 120043 said:
This one I forgot to update in the timetable.

6Z07 Issue:
That's because it has to stop at 'Upperby Through Goods Line' rather than Upperby Bridge Junction. You will find the train did not automatically reverse direction either at your location point. Change Upperby Bridge Jn to Upperby Through GL and remove NX and it will work happily.

https://www.simsig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/49003?postId=118897
Thanks very much for this information.

I'm now only a couple of hours away from finishing this sim. When I have, I'll copy the scores and then play it all over again to see if I can do better, which I'm sure I can.
Must be a glutton for punishment.
Then try the 1979 TT. Guaranteed to knock a hole in your score.

"Always forgive your enemies -- nothing annoys them so much" - Oscar Wilde (16/10/1854 – 30/11/1900), Irish poet and playwright.
Last edited: 14/08/2019 at 23:00 by postal
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Train 6Z07 and Upperby Yard 15/08/2019 at 10:16 #120053
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postal in post 120048 said:
[quote=bugsy;post=120046][quote=HST125Scorton;post=120043]
Then try the 1979 TT. Guaranteed to knock a hole in your score.
Yes, I was thinking of doing that. May run them concurrently.

My goodness, that was difficult, but I managed it.
Last edited: 15/08/2019 at 10:22 by bugsy
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Train 6Z07 and Upperby Yard Yesterday at 12:27 #120092
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Carlisle Summer 2018 WTT has been updated and re-uploaded on my Google Drive

https://www.simsig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/49973

Aaron (AJRO)
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Train 6Z07 and Upperby Yard Yesterday at 16:02 #120103
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bugsy in post 120046 said:
HST125Scorton in post 120043 said:
This one I forgot to update in the timetable.

This one I forgot to update in the timetable

6Z07 Issue:
That's because it has to stop at 'Upperby Through Goods Line' rather than Upperby Bridge Junction. You will find the train did not automatically reverse direction either at your location point. Change Upperby Bridge Jn to Upperby Through GL and remove NX and it will work happily.

https://www.simsig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/49003?postId=118897
[quote=HST125Scorton;post=120092]Carlisle Summer 2018 WTT has been updated and re-uploaded on my Google Drive

https://www.simsig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/49973
Is this what you've now revised in your new Carlisle Summer 2018 timetable?
Just downloaded it by the way.

My goodness, that was difficult, but I managed it.
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Train 6Z07 and Upperby Yard Yesterday at 16:29 #120105
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bugsy in post 120103 said:
bugsy in post 120046 said:
HST125Scorton in post 120043 said:
This one I forgot to update in the timetable.

This one I forgot to update in the timetable

6Z07 Issue:
That's because it has to stop at 'Upperby Through Goods Line' rather than Upperby Bridge Junction. You will find the train did not automatically reverse direction either at your location point. Change Upperby Bridge Jn to Upperby Through GL and remove NX and it will work happily.

https://www.simsig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/49003?postId=118897
[quote=HST125Scorton;post=120092]Carlisle Summer 2018 WTT has been updated and re-uploaded on my Google Drive

https://www.simsig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/49973
Is this what you've now revised in your new Carlisle Summer 2018 timetable?
Just downloaded it by the way.
Yep, this fixes this issue with 6Z07 at Upperby.

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