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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 10/04/2020 at 23:08 #125590
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Hi all,

Subject to approval, version 1.1.22 of my Spring 2020 Timetable will be available for download shortly from https://www.simsig.co.uk/File/Index/70

This replaces file id 2345 following feedback and additional playtesting. Your are strongly encouraged to read the full notes in the TT description, and look out for additional notes on the in-play timetable popups.

Issues Resolved since v1.0
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4O26, 5N03 and 6D32 had incorrect electrification.
5L00 causes merry hell if appearing early - tweaked with SDO stop at Railnet Reception.
5L0x-2 called wrong route at Camden Jn towards Stratford.
Some mail train consists have been changed from 4-car to 8-car.
Up Sleepers needed to pull up closer to the buffers.
Some CS stock was failing to appear due to faulty rules.
Added some crew changes and minor timing adjustments at Wembley R.P.


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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 12/04/2020 at 13:15 #125681
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Going well so far - out of interest, what is the sim bug affecting 5D99 and WM1184.

One note - 6L47 has a note to use the DSL not UDG. Where is the DSL? Sending it any way other than the UDG causes a wrong route phone call.

There's the right way, the wrong way and the railway.
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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 12/04/2020 at 17:43 #125688
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Hi Splodge,

Apologies if notes for 6L47 were wrong. In RTT the path is meant to be via Up Slow rather that U&DG. However, SimSig won't allow that so has to be forced via U&DG - https://www.simsig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/50506
I'll correct the note as it's not Down :)

5D99 - there's a sim bug that means if you try and cross it back on to the Up straight from 1184, it fails, you have to use the OTHER set of points at Willesden WLJ - https://www.simsig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/50515

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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 12/04/2020 at 20:32 #125705
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One other thing - I briefly attempted creating a 2019 TT last year, until a house move got in the way. But my research for that indicated that platforms 17 and 18 were out of use due to HS2 work, yet 17 seems to see quite a lot of use in this one?
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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 12/04/2020 at 23:42 #125717
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Hi,

There's nothing on 18 at all, but there are a few in 17. These were tweaked to actually accommodate everything scheduled!

However, 1M06, 1M10 and 5S44 might be able to use P6, and 1B34 can use P5, but 1R20 and 1M12 cause conflict.

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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 13/04/2020 at 22:29 #125755
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Is there a need any more to keep the older version (1.0.18) available - https://www.simsig.co.uk/File/Details/2345 - now that it has basically been superseded by the revised version 1.1.22?
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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 16/04/2020 at 19:57 #125897
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Hi, I'm enjoying this TT and I've had 6B74 call in at North Pole Jcn saying it has the wrong traction for the route. He called in from 809 signal at North Pole and it's a class 92.
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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 16/04/2020 at 21:14 #125902
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Hi Cliff,

I see the issue on 6B74 - must have missed this.

The Class 92 consist is dual-voltage, initially running on 3rd rail.

There's a "feature" in this sim that if the train doesn't stop at North Pole VC811/818, it won't lift its shoes and the driver calls in to complain despite the very clear OHLE in front of his eyes.

The solution is to change the "Start Traction" for this train to Overhead AND 3rd Rail, in the timetable editor, before it arrives. I'll fix this in the next release :)

NB: Have checked all goods services and this seems to be the only 92 without dual-voltage set...

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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 18/04/2020 at 08:11 #125976
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Both 5A91 and 1M21 postals have appears from Watford Junction Up Slow - they have identical timings, which implies that relevant rules are missing?
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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 18/04/2020 at 10:07 #125978
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UKTrainMan in post 125976 said:
Both 5A91 and 1M21 postals have appears from Watford Junction Up Slow - they have identical timings, which implies that relevant rules are missing?
Good spot. 1M21/5A91, and 1F04/5F04, should have "are alternative" rules. Fixed on next version.

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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 19/04/2020 at 16:02 #126023
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is some of the stock too long for platforms ? e.g in the version I have 1.1 simsig 4.15.1 platform 6 is shown as 258m but an 11 car pendo is timetabled in and out with no issues and is shown in F2 as 265m (1R05 inbound/1H12 outbound) . Now it doesnt complain mind you nor do I have to do a TC override , what am I missing here ?

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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 24/04/2020 at 03:50 #126217
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@slatteryc

You've got trains timetabled to use Willesden RMT platforms 4 & 5 but the manual says
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Platforms 4 and 5 are out of use in the Royal Mail Terminal as of 2014.
Although, saying that, if one looks at the relevant Sectional Appendixes then as of June 2014 it looks like 6 and 7 are OOU and then as of March 2019 onwards it looks as if platforms 5, 6, and 7 are out of use (tracks appear to stop short of the platforms)?

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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 24/04/2020 at 09:49 #126223
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UKTrainMan in post 126217 said:
@slatteryc

You've got trains timetabled to use Willesden RMT platforms 4 & 5 but the manual says
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Platforms 4 and 5 are out of use in the Royal Mail Terminal as of 2014.
Although, saying that, if one looks at the relevant Sectional Appendixes then as of June 2014 it looks like 6 and 7 are OOU and then as of March 2019 onwards it looks as if platforms 5, 6, and 7 are out of use (tracks appear to stop short of the platforms)?
The tracks do stop short of the platforms because the platforms were filled in to allow greater space for the increased cross-docking required after Royal Mail terminated their contract with EWS in 2002 and moved to a predominantly road-based network.

This policy was driven by cost considerations from a management team who had originally developed the road-based Parcelforce network and found that rail was not essential to supply the level of service required. However, we should not forget that Royal Mail would have been forced off the rail before too long in any event. While Royal Mail used many of the trunk routes provided by the railway, the busiest was the WCML. Again because of the nature of the Royal Mail business, the most time critical moves take place overnight. Later in the decade we had the WCML passenger upgrade which effectively blockaded the WCML on a nightly basis for a considerable time. Had Royal Mail stayed on rail and had to suffer the delays caused by diversionary routing or transshipping from rail to road and back, the national Quality of Service (the amount of first class mail delivered within time specification) would have taken a hit of probably 1 to 2% against a target of about 96% IIRC. This would have laid Royal Mail open to sanctions from the regulator including significant financial penalties so economic pressures would have forced Royal Mail off the railway anyway. If the WCML is unviable as a network option then investment is required in an alternative road based system. Because of the investment in new depots and vehicles for a major part of the rail traffic, the business took the view that it made operational and economic sense to move all the rail traffic over to road rather than splitting the resources between alternative strategies. Once the investment was made to put in a road network providing equivalent Quality of Service to that supplied by using rail then it is difficult to make a case to revert to rail while the investment in the depots and vehicles operating the new network has to make a rate of return.

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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 24/04/2020 at 17:25 #126259
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Thanks to everyone who's supplied feedback.

I've tweaked the mail trains to only use P1-3 (except for one service which seeds on P4, as I don't have enough platforms unless I start doing some consist splits and a shedload of associated rules).

The platform allocations for the Avanti services on P1-7 and P12-16 are indeed as per the CIF, and the diagrams are based on the VT (not AWC) so blame Milton Keynes I'm going to clear stuff from Platform 17 on the next version.

Of course, if you really fancy a challenge, you're welcome to isolate platforms 16-18 and have a little weep!

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Reason: Clarification on EUS P17

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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 26/04/2020 at 13:25 #126334
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so blame Milton Keynes

How can you possibly say that about FMK?

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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 03/05/2020 at 09:22 #126513
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An update is now at https://www.simsig.co.uk/File/Details/2372 which replaces previous files 2345 and 2354. Thanks to all for feedback.
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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 28/06/2020 at 15:18 #128408
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Hi Jamie
Also posted about this in the Simulation forum without thinking - using loader v5.2 I received an internal error from 4L95 resulting in sim exit. Not sure where is best to post this, have attached a screengrab of the error.Is this an issue or just a one-off glitch?
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Somewhat happily / frustratingly, I restarted the game from exactly the same save twice, and was unable to reproduce the error!
Perhaps it was a one-off glitch. Never mind!

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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 09/09/2020 at 23:55 #131456
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There'll be a minor revision soon, with 3Q71/72/73 "Special Timing" unticked, so that they actually (may) appear!

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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 10/09/2020 at 02:03 #131458
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toblerone in post 128408 said:
Hi Jamie
Also posted about this in the Simulation forum without thinking - using loader v5.2 I received an internal error from 4L95 resulting in sim exit. Not sure where is best to post this, have attached a screengrab of the error.Is this an issue or just a one-off glitch?
Best wishes


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Somewhat happily / frustratingly, I restarted the game from exactly the same save twice, and was unable to reproduce the error!
Perhaps it was a one-off glitch. Never mind!
Do you happen to have a save game from shortly before this happend?

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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 02/02/2021 at 15:32 #136966
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A new update (v1.3.4) will be uploaded shortly, which will also chain to Watford Junction for which I've written a compatible TT.

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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 14/02/2021 at 17:42 #137234
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Are you planning on extending this timetable to the WembleySub simulation as well?
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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 14/02/2021 at 22:35 #137240
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At the moment, no, they don't chain properly and I also haven't got the LUL workings.
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Spring 2020 Timetable - v1.1 Update 15/02/2021 at 09:09 #137246
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9pN1SEAp in post 137240 said:
At the moment, no, they don't chain properly and I also haven't got the LUL workings.
Half of that is being sorted, and the other half is here https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/working-timetables

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