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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 09:25 #125921
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Hi,

Hoping someone can help with a few bits. I am writing a fictional timetable for Exeter after many years away from Simsig. The issues im trying to solved are...

1) Offer of trains from the Dart Valley. I have a few trains that enter here. I get a call from the DVR to advise they have a train waiting, to which I reply OK, send the train. Once the train has entered, I then get a phone call every 10 minutes advising they have the same train waiting to enter (It never does enter). I have tried all the reply options given, and I have also tried calling them to cancel all permission.

2) I have a traction warning on all services that have run round at Exeter. The warnings state; 1C11: Traction inconsistency (had-, wants D).

3) I also have a traction inconsistency for a portion working at Newton Abbot. (Dropped coaches want D).

4) I have several length inconsistencies at St Davids & New Yard. These are on split / joined SWR DMU services, based on the current WTT. The lengths of the arrivals and subsequent split trains are set up with the correct train type but they do not then add up / equal the correct length once coupled / split.

Any help happily received. None of the issues are stopping anything from working, so I can happily play, just would like to fix the DVR issue, as its annoying.

Thanks

Keith

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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 09:28 #125922
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tufc47810 in post 125921 said:
Hi,

Hoping someone can help with a few bits. I am writing a fictional timetable for Exeter after many years away from Simsig. The issues im trying to solved are...

1) Offer of trains from the Dart Valley. I have a few trains that enter here. I get a call from the DVR to advise they have a train waiting, to which I reply OK, send the train. Once the train has entered, I then get a phone call every 10 minutes advising they have the same train waiting to enter (It never does enter). I have tried all the reply options given, and I have also tried calling them to cancel all permission.

2) I have a traction warning on all services that have run round at Exeter. The warnings state; 1C11: Traction inconsistency (had-, wants D).

3) I also have a traction inconsistency for a portion working at Newton Abbot. (Dropped coaches want D).

4) I have several length inconsistencies at St Davids & New Yard. These are on split / joined SWR DMU services, based on the current WTT. The lengths of the arrivals and subsequent split trains are set up with the correct train type but they do not then add up / equal the correct length once coupled / split.

Any help happily received. None of the issues are stopping anything from working, so I can happily play, just would like to fix the DVR issue, as its annoying.

Thanks

Keith
Very difficult to diagnose from descriptions like that. Could you upload a copy of the TT so that people can actually look at what is written in the TT and can try and run a test on the sim to help pin down the problems? Could you also upload a saved game after you have given permission for a train to enter from DVR?

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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 10:06 #125925
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Thanks for the reply.

Still a work in progress, but people are welcome to have a go. Any feedback welcome. I am still running test sessions myself to iron out clashes to the basic services, prior to adding a few other bits and bobs in.

I will upload a saved version of the game once I accept the first one from the DVR.

Cheers

Keith

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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 10:59 #125930
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Your traction warnings look as if you're getting the two parts of the divided train confused.

Have you used the timetable analyser feature to see if it points out anything?

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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 11:06 #125934
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Hi,

I have used the analyzer and this is whats showing me the warnings. I have the next service (1C11 joins 0C11 etc) at origin, and the light engine showing as terminating and joining the stock in the platform (0C11 joins 1C11). The game shows that the trains have finished dividing and joining etc.

I have also attached a saved game, I have just accepted 2E08 from the Dart Valley. Anyone wanting to have a look for me can expect another call 10 minutes after 2E08 has entered, being offered 2E08 again. This continues until the next service is offered from the DVR (2E12) and then the problem repeats.

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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 11:24 #125939
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The Traction inconsistency is down to how you done the stock and removal of the engine

You have set the stock for 1C11 as 8x Mk2's with diesel traction, the incoming working 1E02 you have a detach front, the detach engine front (or rear) removes traction from the portion that is left, if you alter the traction 8x Mk2's to none you will fix the Traction inconsistency issue, and don't worry about it having no traction, because as soon as you join the loco it will have traction again.

After 'Monday' and 'Tuesday' even the calendar says 'WTF'
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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 11:40 #125940
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That makes sense. I did try to play around with that, hence the 8 MK2's being on the list, I just couldn't get it to work. Will give it another go now.
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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 12:17 #125944
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MarkC in post 125939 said:
The Traction inconsistency is down to how you done the stock and removal of the engine

You have set the stock for 1C11 as 8x Mk2's with diesel traction, the incoming working 1E02 you have a detach front, the detach engine front (or rear) removes traction from the portion that is left, if you alter the traction 8x Mk2's to none you will fix the Traction inconsistency issue, and don't worry about it having no traction, because as soon as you join the loco it will have traction again.
Have tried playing with this and still can not shift the traction warning on the analyzer. Not a game stopper, so not the end of the world.

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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 12:41 #125948
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tufc47810 in post 125944 said:
MarkC in post 125939 said:
The Traction inconsistency is down to how you done the stock and removal of the engine

You have set the stock for 1C11 as 8x Mk2's with diesel traction, the incoming working 1E02 you have a detach front, the detach engine front (or rear) removes traction from the portion that is left, if you alter the traction 8x Mk2's to none you will fix the Traction inconsistency issue, and don't worry about it having no traction, because as soon as you join the loco it will have traction again.
Have tried playing with this and still can not shift the traction warning on the analyzer. Not a game stopper, so not the end of the world.
If you have look at the save attached may offer some insight,

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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 12:51 #125949
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Ok you have:
1E02 - diesel - OK
1E02 DEF 0C11 Next 1C11
This makes 1C11 without power in the sim, but your train type '8Mk2' is power Diesel. This is the inconsistency
Once 0C11 joins 1C11 it adds 20m and diesel - which is why the train can move.

A strange sounding fix is:
1E02 DR 5C11 Next 0C11
(5C11 is 8 Mk2 no power)
5C11 Join 0C11 Next 1C11
(1C11 8mk2 + 47 power diesel)

Yes, 5C11 is OK with a single location in the timetable Just put in a departure 5 minutes after 1E02 arrives.

Bill

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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 13:03 #125950
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tufc47810 in post 125921 said:
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4) I have several length inconsistencies at St Davids & New Yard. These are on split / joined SWR DMU services, based on the current WTT. The lengths of the arrivals and subsequent split trains are set up with the correct train type but they do not then add up / equal the correct length once coupled / split.
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Keith
These are simply where you have a 5 car train turning into a 6 car one and so on.
You need to look at the stock balance in and out of Exeter / the yard. You might find a 2 car lurking somewhere and a join & divide in the yard.
I doubt that the CWN Salisbury - Exeter is wrong, so take that as correct and fix the yard and platform work.
If you have not found them, remember there are some attach & detach at Salisbury, not just portions for Bristol.

Also a 158/159 is 23m per coach, not 20m.

A bit late now, but I would add that sorting out stock is a lot easier if you had separate timetables for each train type (eg SWT DMU, Loco hauled, HST, freight) and get them working before making up the whole timetable.

Bill

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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 13:04 #125951
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From the sounds of it, the easiest solution to the run-round would be:

1E02 DF: 0C11, J: 0C11, N: 1C11.

Change 0C11's TT to join 1E02.

There's no real need to have the Next activity half way through the run round.

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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 13:19 #125952
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That now makes sense thank you. I have un-checked the diesel on 8 Mk2's and this has cleared the errors!

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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 13:43 #125954
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Steamer in post 125951 said:
From the sounds of it, the easiest solution to the run-round would be:
1E02 DF: 0C11, J: 0C11, N: 1C11.
Change 0C11's TT to join 1E02.
There's no real need to have the Next activity half way through the run round.
Apart from depreciation of 'DF' for ACI purposes.
Safer to stick to just DR and Next, or expect ACI to fall over.

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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 14:13 #125956
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Thanks all for your help.

I have cleared the traction warnings. I will go through the lengths for the 158/159 working in St Davids / New Yard in detail.

Just need some help with the DVR issues if anyone can help.

Cheers

Keith

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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 15:30 #125957
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bill_gensheet in post 125954 said:
Steamer in post 125951 said:
From the sounds of it, the easiest solution to the run-round would be:
1E02 DF: 0C11, J: 0C11, N: 1C11.
Change 0C11's TT to join 1E02.
There's no real need to have the Next activity half way through the run round.
Apart from depreciation of 'DF' for ACI purposes.
Safer to stick to just DR and Next, or expect ACI to fall over.

Bill
We'll have to agree to differ there- my view is that ACI is there as an aid only, and should not be relied upon for anything more complex than a Next activity.

It's less relevant in this case, as Exeter doesn't have ACI.


tufc47810 said:
Just need some help with the DVR issues if anyone can help.
Appears to be a simulation bug; logged on the issue tracker (#30130).

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Help with some timetable issues 17/04/2020 at 16:42 #125962
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Steamer in post 125957 said:

We'll have to agree to differ there- my view is that ACI is there as an aid only, and should not be relied upon for anything more complex than a Next activity.
It's less relevant in this case, as Exeter doesn't have ACI.
No need to even differ - anyone wanting ACI where provided use DR/Next.
If you do not, then use DF to ensure ACI won't work - but predictably so.

A timetable where ACI worked on half the trains would be confusing both views on it

Bill

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