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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 11:24 #131482
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Hey all, been playing some Marylebone recently and realised it chains to Leamington & Saltley, though only the latter 2 have a compatible TTs

so wondering if there is a TT that connects all 3 sims for (almost) the full length of the Chiltern mainline as it would make a good chain but with no groundhog day TT's for Marylebone & Leamington just wondered why, and if it was possibly for one to be made

(i appiciate it's a little cheeky to ask for a tt to be made and saltley isn't up to date but would be nice to chain them all together)

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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 13:48 #131483
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I'm not sure what you are asking for here. Leamington has a 2009 TT available, as does Saltley. Should this be in the Marylebone forum?
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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 13:50 #131484
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From memory, I can't recall whether there was a chaining issue between Leam and Banbury (Marylebone) depending on the eras. The various threads on the forum might confirm or prove otherwise.

There's nothing preventing three complimentary TTs being written of course and that was my intention for the first weeks of the COVID TT amendments, but I only managed to finish Saltley and Leam before my HDD had a significant failure.

For any TTs representing the current era, there have to be compromises for each sim. Saltley doesn't have the bay platforms at Moor Street and is now TCB between Stratford and Shirley, rather than AB. Leamington is missing the ability to depart towards Coventry from Platforms 4 & 3 and Marylebone now has double track from Oxford Parkway to Oxford.

None of these are insurmountable though, they just require some creative adjustments.

It is still my intention to start writing a TT again for Marylebone that marries up with my Leam and Saltley TTs at some point in the near future, but no date in mind and only if I've got the time.

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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 13:53 #131485
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wellgroomed in post 131484 said:
From memory, I can't recall whether there was a chaining issue between Leam and Banbury (Marylebone) depending on the eras. The various threads on the forum might confirm or prove otherwise.

To the best of my knowledge the chaining works fine as long as you select the appropriate era on both ends.

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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 13:53 #131486
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headshot119 in post 131483 said:
I'm not sure what you are asking for here. Leamington has a 2009 TT available, as does Saltley. Should this be in the Marylebone forum?
Yes, could be.

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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 13:59 #131487
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yeah, I couldn't find a default 2009 TT for all 3 sims that would enable a chain hence the forum post asking if there was one for Leamington that could connect the 2 i'll have a look around for the Leamington 2009 one now i know it exists!

and ah thats cool! would just be nice to do a Leamington/marylebone/saltley chain but coulnd;t find a TT so nice yo know one will appear at some point! :D


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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 14:01 #131488
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I think you'll find it's Marylebone that's missing the 2009 timetable. Leamington has one since the day it was released, as has Saltley.
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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 14:11 #131489
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Oh! I see, yeah just found the Leamington 2009 one!
just out of curiosity why doesn't Marylebone have one?

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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 14:25 #131490
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Marylebone was released after that date. It came with a default TT that suited it's release date.
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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 14:33 #131491
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But more importantly Marylebone has been (partly) resignalled since 2009, and the sim represents the newer layout - the changes can probably be worked around, but it won’t work perfectly, they’ll have to be some tweaks/compromises to get it to work on the new layout.
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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 17:31 #131492
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Marylebone's a bit of a funny old one. I seem to remember it was released with a 2013 (wasn't it?) era and a 2015 proposed era, which simulated the then-future layout that was anticipated. I believe there was then one, or even two, big updates. I'm pretty sure there was an update to take into account the opening of the Bicester South West Chord and the resignalling of the OXD between Gavray Junction and Oxford Parkway and the transfer of that to Marylebone ASC. But then I think there was another update taking account of alterations at Oxford Parkway and we now have just one era which (this isn't intended as a whine) does simulate a very weird moment in time, where the work to connect up to Oxford is still very much in progress. That work has been finished for a while and it just seems a slightly strange era to stick on, for it represents neither the now completed link between Oxford and Marylbone, nor the old era from the days before East West Rail and Bicester South Junction and the Bicester South West Chord and everything else as represented on the Oxford sim and the old 2013 era for Marylebone. Just seems a strange moment in time to have simulated as the only era and a tricky one for timetablers I'm sure. Of course the fact that a modern era would have to include the resignalling of Banbury to the West Midlands Signalling Centre (and who wants that, frankly, in preference to the semaphores and the Banbury boxes!!) I'm sure complicates the process of simulating a modern era.
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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 18:22 #131493
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JamesN in post 131491 said:
But more importantly Marylebone has been (partly) resignalled since 2009, and the sim represents the newer layout - the changes can probably be worked around, but it won’t work perfectly, they’ll have to be some tweaks/compromises to get it to work on the new layout.
I think the only change that is significant is the inability to access the Up Platform at Princes Risborough from the Thame Branch which messes with the trains that terminated there in 2009.

There are still trains that do this today which now double shunt so there’s no reason this couldn’t be done with appropriate artistic licence for the 09 TT.

It would also be fairly easy to collar the extra lines out of use to force the older routes which are still there.

The timetable probably wouldn’t import correctly for the freight or passengers to the GWR line to Paddington either as the junction moved back to Ruislip Gardens but again this could be worked around with manual entry.

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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 18:27 #131494
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TUT in post 131492 said:
we now have just one era which (this isn't intended as a whine) does simulate a very weird moment in time, where the work to connect up to Oxford is still very much in progress. That work has been finished for a while and it just seems a slightly strange era to stick on, for it represents neither the now completed link between Oxford and Marylbone, nor the old era from the days before East West Rail and Bicester South Junction and the Bicester South West Chord and everything else as represented on the Oxford sim and the old 2013 era for Marylebone. Just seems a strange moment in time to have simulated as the only era and a tricky one for timetablers I'm sure.
Um, there are still four eras. As for why the last era is the single line to Oxford, well that's because that is the last update that Chiltern paid for - so you have Chiltern to thank for the subsequent updates which may not have otherwise happened.

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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 19:01 #131497
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GeoffM in post 131494 said:
TUT in post 131492 said:
we now have just one era which (this isn't intended as a whine) does simulate a very weird moment in time, where the work to connect up to Oxford is still very much in progress. That work has been finished for a while and it just seems a slightly strange era to stick on, for it represents neither the now completed link between Oxford and Marylbone, nor the old era from the days before East West Rail and Bicester South Junction and the Bicester South West Chord and everything else as represented on the Oxford sim and the old 2013 era for Marylebone. Just seems a strange moment in time to have simulated as the only era and a tricky one for timetablers I'm sure.
Um, there are still four eras. As for why the last era is the single line to Oxford, well that's because that is the last update that Chiltern paid for - so you have Chiltern to thank for the subsequent updates which may not have otherwise happened.
Sorry Geoff I do apologise, there are of course three eras, but correct me if my memory is letting me down again, I seem to remember when it was released it had a 2013 era (which was current at the time) and a 2015 extended which featured some proposed changes including a DPL at Marylebone. And I don't think the original 2015 extended layout had the OXD at all. I seem to remember something in the manual about how Marylebone was a first for SimSig in that it simulated a future era.

I believe the original 2015 era with the then-future layout was then replaced by the actual 2015 era which includes the OXD, BSWC, Bicester South Jn etc. and then I apologise of course that hasn't been withdrawn it is still there as well as the very very similar 2016 era which does simulate an updated Banbury and the WMSC, I do apologise. I never play the 2016 era.

Sorry, I honestly never meant to have a go at SimSig, Marylebone is actually one of my favourite ever sims and will probably always remain so. But I do find it a bit unusual in that it simulates the middle of a major upgrade! I don't think we have many other sims like that and it does seem strange from the perspective of a SimSig customer that we have these two eras 2015 and 2016 which simulate a work in progress. As a SimSig customer you would generally expect SimSig to simulate the earlier era and then perhaps to simulate the completed upgrade. But it's actually quite nice to have preserved the arrangements in place on the OXD while work was done down at Oxford, I'm not knocking it, just think it makes for an unusual product.

But yeah I was partly aware of the situation with Chiltern Railways, I actually visited Chiltern Control once. I believe they use/used SimSig when they have disruptions. Basically on the day, they do whatever they do to try and put the service back together. And then I was told that what SimSig can allow them to do is recreate the situation and try out various alternative approaches to getting the service back together to see if they couldn't have done a better job and then maybe they can try that out in the wild next time. Not sure how much they use it or not, I only went there once. Lovely people though, great little place. But I thought better of talking about what little I know of SimSig's business arrangements!

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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 19:55 #131498
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TUT in post 131497 said:
GeoffM in post 131494 said:
TUT in post 131492 said:
we now have just one era which (this isn't intended as a whine) does simulate a very weird moment in time, where the work to connect up to Oxford is still very much in progress. That work has been finished for a while and it just seems a slightly strange era to stick on, for it represents neither the now completed link between Oxford and Marylbone, nor the old era from the days before East West Rail and Bicester South Junction and the Bicester South West Chord and everything else as represented on the Oxford sim and the old 2013 era for Marylebone. Just seems a strange moment in time to have simulated as the only era and a tricky one for timetablers I'm sure.
Um, there are still four eras. As for why the last era is the single line to Oxford, well that's because that is the last update that Chiltern paid for - so you have Chiltern to thank for the subsequent updates which may not have otherwise happened.
Sorry Geoff I do apologise, there are of course three eras, but correct me if my memory is letting me down again, I seem to remember when it was released it had a 2013 era (which was current at the time) and a 2015 extended which featured some proposed changes including a DPL at Marylebone. And I don't think the original 2015 extended layout had the OXD at all. I seem to remember something in the manual about how Marylebone was a first for SimSig in that it simulated a future era.

I believe the original 2015 era with the then-future layout was then replaced by the actual 2015 era which includes the OXD, BSWC, Bicester South Jn etc. and then I apologise of course that hasn't been withdrawn it is still there as well as the very very similar 2016 era which does simulate an updated Banbury and the WMSC, I do apologise. I never play the 2016 era.
Originally there were two 2015 layouts, a 'proposed' and 'enhanced proposal' or something like that; the two were then replaced with a single 'as built' layout. Both featured the Oxford line from release, though the single line detail was different.

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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 20:36 #131499
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TUT in post 131497 said:
GeoffM in post 131494 said:
TUT in post 131492 said:
we now have just one era which (this isn't intended as a whine) does simulate a very weird moment in time, where the work to connect up to Oxford is still very much in progress. That work has been finished for a while and it just seems a slightly strange era to stick on, for it represents neither the now completed link between Oxford and Marylbone, nor the old era from the days before East West Rail and Bicester South Junction and the Bicester South West Chord and everything else as represented on the Oxford sim and the old 2013 era for Marylebone. Just seems a strange moment in time to have simulated as the only era and a tricky one for timetablers I'm sure.
Um, there are still four eras. As for why the last era is the single line to Oxford, well that's because that is the last update that Chiltern paid for - so you have Chiltern to thank for the subsequent updates which may not have otherwise happened.
Sorry Geoff I do apologise, there are of course three eras
Oops, yes, three eras. Chiltern certainly used to use SimSig for planning (which is how the sim came about) but I don't know if they still do.

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TT Request? 12/09/2020 at 21:33 #131500
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The line being single beyond Woodstock Road shouldn’t make too much difference to a current timetable unless there is late running as they tend to cross in Oxford Station still.
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