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Roll Over To Next Day? 16/09/2020 at 16:44 #131559
NorthernWarrior
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I notice on reaching end of day with Moss Vale (and a passable 61% score), the simulation actually keeps running. I presume this means I can continue ad infinitum but just one question... Do any delays or consequences of your actions roll forward into the next day, e.g. a train going late into its destination will still come back out late?

If so that is great as of course the "competition" just ends at 2359, which means you can leave locos and stock dumped everywhere unserviced etc.

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Roll Over To Next Day? 16/09/2020 at 16:55 #131560
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A long time ago in a previous SimSig version the sim actually stopped and presented you a final score after reaching the TT's end time. This is not the case anymore, but the timetable is not reloaded as the day rolls over. This means you will run out of trains soon after as the next day's trains will not appear and the existing ones have no next working anymore at some point.

And yes, score continues to be counted for the trains still in sim.

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Roll Over To Next Day? 16/09/2020 at 17:22 #131562
NorthernWarrior
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Okay thanks Albert.
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Roll Over To Next Day? 16/09/2020 at 17:27 #131563
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Just to add that the sim clock runs to 99:59; there are a handful of user written multi-day timetables which take account of this. There's an option to display times greater than 23:59 as sensible values on the clock and show timetable window. As Albert says, the simulation won't loop back round to the start at midnight.

Albert in post 131560 said:
A long time ago in a previous SimSig version the sim actually stopped and presented you a final score after reaching the TT's end time.
You do still get a warning when you reach the TT end; however, as this is generally left at the default 27:00 (i.e. 03:00 on 'Day 2'), you tend to run out of trains first!

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Roll Over To Next Day? 16/09/2020 at 19:10 #131567
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NorthernWarrior in post 131559 said:
I notice on reaching end of day with Moss Vale (and a passable 61% score), the simulation actually keeps running. I presume this means I can continue ad infinitum but just one question... Do any delays or consequences of your actions roll forward into the next day, e.g. a train going late into its destination will still come back out late?

If so that is great as of course the "competition" just ends at 2359, which means you can leave locos and stock dumped everywhere unserviced etc.
It depends on the timetable. In Moss Vale's case I wouldn't expect delays on trains going to and then coming back from Sydney because they'll just set swap (except maybe the XPTs or Indian Pacific). Timetable authors can include rules like "X must not appear until Y minutes after Z leaves the area".

Also, kind of a Control thing too, since trains could be turned back early, rendering the aforementioned rules unhelpful - again, highly depends on the area.

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Roll Over To Next Day? 16/09/2020 at 20:57 #131577
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What might be handy is the ability to mark more than one train as un-entered at a time, then you could have a sort of reset to the timetable.

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Roll Over To Next Day? 17/09/2020 at 11:57 #132571
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However if you mark trains as unentered once you get to the end of the timetable, they will enter as soon as they can, since they will be late entering.
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Roll Over To Next Day? 17/09/2020 at 14:14 #132576
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Peter Bennet in post 131577 said:
What might be handy is the ability to mark more than one train as un-entered at a time, then you could have a sort of reset to the timetable.

Peter
Or select multiple trains for duplication. Then you could duplicate and add 24hrs. There might still be issues with rules and decisions though.

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Roll Over To Next Day? 18/09/2020 at 08:49 #132581
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GeoffM in post 131567 said:
NorthernWarrior in post 131559 said:
I notice on reaching end of day with Moss Vale (and a passable 61% score), the simulation actually keeps running. I presume this means I can continue ad infinitum but just one question... Do any delays or consequences of your actions roll forward into the next day, e.g. a train going late into its destination will still come back out late?

If so that is great as of course the "competition" just ends at 2359, which means you can leave locos and stock dumped everywhere unserviced etc.
It depends on the timetable. In Moss Vale's case I wouldn't expect delays on trains going to and then coming back from Sydney because they'll just set swap (except maybe the XPTs or Indian Pacific). Timetable authors can include rules like "X must not appear until Y minutes after Z leaves the area".

Also, kind of a Control thing too, since trains could be turned back early, rendering the aforementioned rules unhelpful - again, highly depends on the area.
So maybe there needs to be a feature in rules so they can be applied in a percentage of cases. Default 100% of course, they are mainly to ensure realistic operation in-sim, and in many cases there would be little or no likelihood of reforming services off-sim. But having a percentage application where the rule is to give a realistic off-sim turnback will allow Control to intervene (which may, of course, be unhelpful if the reformed train lands in the middle of the mess, but that's life).

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Roll Over To Next Day? 22/09/2020 at 18:57 #132652
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Could you merge in a new timetable (same as the old one, perhaps)
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Roll Over To Next Day? 22/09/2020 at 21:34 #132653
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bfcmik in post 132652 said:
Could you merge in a new timetable (same as the old one, perhaps)
You could, but this doesn’t reset the clock. After the first 24 hours, the displayed clock shows it going back to 1am, but in the actual timetable, a train scheduled for 1am the next day is scheduled as 25:00. If you merged in a timetable after the first 24 hours, all those trains will pretty much enter straight away (obv rule dependant) because they are seeing themselves as up to 24 hours late.
There are a couple timetables that have been written as multiple days in the same TT, but they are not the norm. Exeter and kings cross both have a 4 day TT in the downloads section that lets you run from Friday through to Monday

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