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West Highland Line 30/11/2020 at 11:18 #134262
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Know it's been a while Peter but just wondering if edinburgh sim with borders railway added is still on the horizon at any point in the future? Or if we might see any timetables for edinburgh/cowlairs/c scotland post EGIP electrification?
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West Highland Line 30/11/2020 at 12:12 #134264
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mellon95 in post 134262 said:
Or if we might see any timetables for edinburgh/cowlairs/c scotland post EGIP electrification?
There's a user-written 2020 timetable for CScot here: https://www.simsig.co.uk/File/Details/2330 It's set in February, so before Covid service reductions.

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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 30/11/2020 at 12:26 #134267
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I've been doing a little investigative work to see just how difficult it would be to write a modern timetable for Edinburgh... I think it's possible to achieve, but with a lot of "cheating" and trickery
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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 30/11/2020 at 13:21 #134268
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I looked at the Christmas engineering timetables and decided it was not possible on current Edinburgh due to the need for east facing platforms.

I would also guess (and it is a pure guess) that any update on Edinburgh might only work sensibly as a new sim rather than era based update.

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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 30/11/2020 at 14:30 #134272
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It's impossible to do any form of realistic modern TT for EDB with the layout as it is in sim. platforms missing (1, 20, 10 and now 5 & 6) along with all new platform lengths for some platforms and the PC1/2 also at the East not there anymore. oh and platform renumbering. The whole are along with some changes at HYM would need done.
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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 30/11/2020 at 16:54 #134278
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Hap in post 134272 said:
It's impossible to do any form of realistic modern TT for EDB with the layout as it is in sim. platforms missing (1, 20, 10 and now 5 & 6) along with all new platform lengths for some platforms and the PC1/2 also at the East not there anymore. oh and platform renumbering. The whole are along with some changes at HYM would need done.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the changes at Haymarket were just a 5th Platform (Platform 0) and electrification of all running lines to Waverley?

Well that's what it seems from a passenger point of view, I'm open to being corrected.

Also don't forget that Dunbar now has it's second platform back so that would have to be put in as well as all the EGIP electrification works etc....

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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 30/11/2020 at 17:19 #134280
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And Bathgate is no longer a terminus.
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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 30/11/2020 at 17:45 #134281
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jc92 in post 134280 said:
And Bathgate is no longer a terminus.
. . . and is double tracked.

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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 30/11/2020 at 18:00 #134282
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Edinburgh is very different currently than the eras covered by the sim. While Peter has graciously added some more modern features, people really shouldn't be expecting a wholesale resignalling for free.
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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 30/11/2020 at 18:04 #134284
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GeoffM in post 134282 said:
Edinburgh is very different currently than the eras covered by the sim. While Peter has graciously added some more modern features, people really shouldn't be expecting a wholesale resignalling for free.
I might be in a minority, but I wouldn't expect an up-to-date Edinburgh sim to be free and would happily pay the going rate again for what I consider to be a great sim

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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 30/11/2020 at 18:26 #134285
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ajax103 in post 134278 said:
Hap in post 134272 said:
It's impossible to do any form of realistic modern TT for EDB with the layout as it is in sim. platforms missing (1, 20, 10 and now 5 & 6) along with all new platform lengths for some platforms and the PC1/2 also at the East not there anymore. oh and platform renumbering. The whole are along with some changes at HYM would need done.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the changes at Haymarket were just a 5th Platform (Platform 0) and electrification of all running lines to Waverley?

Well that's what it seems from a passenger point of view, I'm open to being corrected.

Also don't forget that Dunbar now has it's second platform back so that would have to be put in as well as all the EGIP electrification works etc....
EH522 & EH524 (US & UN respectively) need to be moved to West side of Haymarket East Junction. I've always believed that they were in the wrong place in sim to start with as there was a BR just before the ramp of platform 3. certainly several Youtube clips prove the same.

Platform 4 LOS is now fixed red and has been for several years and is on the end of platform 4, and there is also a fixed red on the EDB side of platform 2. EH905 GPLS is on the ramp of platform 3 heading west.

There's additional signals on the Forth Bridge, EY656 & EY654 are now two aspect R/G at the south side of Dalmeny loop. There's additional signals between Haymarket West Jn and Dalmeny junction in both directions. And there's been 7 panels since 2008 at least, all controlling different areas than what is in the sim at present. amongst everything else that's been mentioned.

It's a lot of work needing done. Would practically be a new sim.

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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 30/11/2020 at 19:56 #134287
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I have limited information with which to work.
Also, this sim has given me more grief than any other and the idea of fiddling with it fills me with dread.
Maybe one day something will happen but work on the presumption that it won't, then you will get a surprise if it does.

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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 01/12/2020 at 20:25 #134306
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Peter Bennet in post 134287 said:
I have limited information with which to work.
Also, this sim has given me more grief than any other and the idea of fiddling with it fills me with dread.
Maybe one day something will happen but work on the presumption that it won't, then you will get a surprise if it does.

Peter
And if one day it was possible then I can assure you that I for one will be opening my wallet no questions ask!

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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 02/12/2020 at 13:28 #134328
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ajax103 in post 134306 said:
Peter Bennet in post 134287 said:
I have limited information with which to work.
Also, this sim has given me more grief than any other and the idea of fiddling with it fills me with dread.
Maybe one day something will happen but work on the presumption that it won't, then you will get a surprise if it does.

Peter
And if one day it was possible then I can assure you that I for one will be opening my wallet no questions ask!
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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 02/12/2020 at 13:47 #134329
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So would i...
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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 02/12/2020 at 14:23 #134332
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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 05/12/2020 at 08:58 #134394
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And for those impatient who can't wait, there is a alternative available elsewhere with the current layout of Edinburgh station.

Any internet search engine should direct you in the right place.

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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 05/12/2020 at 12:32 #134397
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ajax103 in post 134394 said:
And for those impatient who can't wait, there is a alternative available elsewhere with the current layout of Edinburgh station.

Any internet search engine should direct you in the right place.
If it was I am thinking you are referring to, This also is an inaccurate representation of the said area.

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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 05/12/2020 at 14:22 #134399
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Hap in post 134397 said:
ajax103 in post 134394 said:
And for those impatient who can't wait, there is a alternative available elsewhere with the current layout of Edinburgh station.

Any internet search engine should direct you in the right place.
If it was I am thinking you are referring to, This also is an inaccurate representation of the said area.
How? I didn't notice anything wrong there.

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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 05/12/2020 at 18:25 #134403
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ajax103 in post 134399 said:
Hap in post 134397 said:
ajax103 in post 134394 said:
And for those impatient who can't wait, there is a alternative available elsewhere with the current layout of Edinburgh station.

Any internet search engine should direct you in the right place.
If it was I am thinking you are referring to, This also is an inaccurate representation of the said area.
How? I didn't notice anything wrong there.
crossover missing between 11 & 10 at the West end of platform. Signals missing in HYM tunnel, mid road missing between 16 & 17. south side siding missing.

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Question about borders railway era and later timetables 29/12/2020 at 00:28 #135496
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I have up to date signal info for Edinburgh (2020) and other areas in the sim but even then this will be redundant in the next year with the additions of stations at East Linton and Reston which will incorporate some form of remodeling of the signaling infrastructure. Hopefully in the future we can have modern Edinburgh. Plenty of operational scope round millerhill to keep you busy between engineers shunt movements and scotrail ECS moves
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