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Non-described train in berth X*** 28/12/2020 at 16:42 #135479
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Dionysusnu in post 135475 said:
Except not when the berth has been filled manually already. That's what annoys me the most about this warning message.
When I said that I couldn't reproduce it, I meant to say: I don't get a message when I fill this specific berth manually and route the train onto the Down Main. So I believe this berth is not affected, though a number of others on SwinDid are (mostly appearing to be intermediate shunts - with the notable exception of signal 6407 which does not generate this message but generates an 'off planned path' instead.)

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Non-described train in berth X*** 29/12/2020 at 14:20 #135519
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I have just had this same message on Carlisle 2000
"Non-described Train in Berth COUT"

I did not appear in my last full one hour test run of my 1986 timetable

This only happened after I added the Whitehaven services; Class 108 arrival which turns into a ECS
I completely forgot about it
I therefore assume it forms part of the requirement to change a headcode once a train arrives, as the headcode for next service is not processed automatically

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Non-described train in berth X*** 29/12/2020 at 14:46 #135521
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mjkerr in post 135519 said:
I have just had this same message on Carlisle 2000
"Non-described Train in Berth COUT"

I did not appear in my last full one hour test run of my 1986 timetable

This only happened after I added the Whitehaven services; Class 108 arrival which turns into a ECS
I completely forgot about it
I therefore assume it forms part of the requirement to change a headcode once a train arrives, as the headcode for next service is not processed automatically
No in this case it's a simulation issue which needs to be resolved. It's already on Mantis to be investigated.

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Non-described train in berth X*** 29/12/2020 at 15:38 #135527
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mjkerr in post 135519 said:
I have just had this same message on Carlisle 2000
"Non-described Train in Berth COUT"

I did not appear in my last full one hour test run of my 1986 timetable

This only happened after I added the Whitehaven services; Class 108 arrival which turns into a ECS
I completely forgot about it
I therefore assume it forms part of the requirement to change a headcode once a train arrives, as the headcode for next service is not processed automatically

As above, I am now getting it on previously tested Light Loco movements
I now have it duplicating and ignoring, where it never appeared before

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Non-described train in berth X*** 29/12/2020 at 15:40 #135529
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headshot119 in post 135521 said:
No in this case it's a simulation issue which needs to be resolved. It's already on Mantis to be investigated.

Agreed, something in the update that occured yesterday
Initially I thought it was the DMU services that I added and had not tested
However the DMU had now left the Panel, only thing on screen were the two Light Loco engines, never had the issue before on them

I deleted the TD and the issue stopped
Put the TD back in, and it returned

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Non-described train in berth X*** 31/12/2020 at 14:45 #135705
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Is this something that one should report, only I've just had a couple at Stirling in the 15-10-09 04:45 tt in the Central Scotland simulation. I just interposed manually and carried on as you do.
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Non-described train in berth X*** 31/12/2020 at 15:07 #135709
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bugsy in post 135705 said:
Is this something that one should report, only I've just had a couple at Stirling in the 15-10-09 04:45 tt in the Central Scotland simulation. I just interposed manually and carried on as you do.
https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/52664

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Non-described train in berth X*** 31/12/2020 at 16:58 #135723
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Meld in post 135709 said:
bugsy in post 135705 said:
Is this something that one should report, only I've just had a couple at Stirling in the 15-10-09 04:45 tt in the Central Scotland simulation. I just interposed manually and carried on as you do.
https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/52664
Brain malfunction coming up: All very interesting but is this answer to my question a 'yes' or a 'no'

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Non-described train in berth X*** 31/12/2020 at 17:08 #135725
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bugsy in post 135723 said:
Meld in post 135709 said:
bugsy in post 135705 said:
Is this something that one should report, only I've just had a couple at Stirling in the 15-10-09 04:45 tt in the Central Scotland simulation. I just interposed manually and carried on as you do.
https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/52664
Brain malfunction coming up: All very interesting but is this answer to my question a 'yes' or a 'no'
If the message is accurate (i.e. it reports a non-described train at signal 52, and there is indeed a non-described train at signal 52), then the message is correct.

If the message is wrong, references a signal that doesn't have a TD berth, or something 'under the hood' like COUT, then please report it.

The messages form their own message type, so you can stop them producing a pop-up box via F3 if you so wish.

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Non-described train in berth X*** 31/12/2020 at 17:19 #135727
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Thank you. That's nice and clear. I will note the signal number and act accordingly.
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Non-described train in berth X*** 03/01/2021 at 22:32 #135944
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mjkerr in post 135519 said:
I have just had this same message on Carlisle 2000
"Non-described Train in Berth COUT"

Many THANKS to the person that has solved and corrected this
I have now run two three hour (00:00 to 02:59) tests of my latest revised 1986 timetable and it did not appear once

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Non-described train in berth X*** 09/12/2021 at 19:34 #142847
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Dionysusnu in post 135271 said:
Trains routed from S660 to S938 on King's cross, incorrectly generate this message with berth 0939.

Save attached with 2J42 about to trigger the message.

Unsure if this belongs in a new thread. This berth step from S660 to S938 now does not work anymore. However, the warning is not always thrown.
Technical info:
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OS: Windows 10 Home 64bit
Loader: SimSig Loader version 5.17.2; Sim: Simulation King's Cross; data version 3.9
License:
TT: King's Cross Autumn 2014 v2.0 LU Strike CM 1.0 v0.0.0
TT filename: King's Cross Autumn 2014 v2.0 LU Strike CM 1.0.WTT
TT merged: False
Sim upgrade: True
Loader upgrade: False
Save reloaded: True
NSTORM active at start
NERANEW active at start
NSIMERA active at start
NSCENARIO2 active at start
NKNEBWORTH choice 1
NINCIDENT choice 2
NWELWYN choice 3
NFINSBURY active at start
NFINSBURY choice 4
NPLAT9 choice 5
NGASWORKS choice 6

While testing to reproduce, I noticed that there does not seem to be a location for reversing at S223 (Bragbury Jn), so a train from Langley Stone Terminal has to run all the way to Hertford North to reach Stevenage platform 4.

A reproduction timetable has been attached. Once TEST has made the trip and departs platform 4, an XXXX code will appear at S939, and sometimes [inconsistent during my testing] a warning thrown.
Technical info in the reproduction:
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OS: Windows 10 Home 64bit
Loader: SimSig Loader version 5.17.2; Sim: Simulation King's Cross; data version 3.9
License:
TT: King's Cross Custom Timetable v0.0.0
TT filename:
TT merged: False
Sim upgrade: False
Loader upgrade: False
Save reloaded: False
NNORMAL active at start
NERANEW active at start
NSIMERA active at start
NSIMERA choice 1
NSCENARIO2 active at start
NSCENARIO2 choice 1
NNONE active at start
NKNEBWORTH choice 1
NINCIDENT choice 2
NWELWYN choice 3
NFINSBURY choice 4
NPLAT9 choice 5
NGASWORKS choice 6

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