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Warrington PSB FAQ 29/12/2020 at 21:03 #135572
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Apologies if this has been asked before, but I find it odd that major main line stations like Wigan NW and Warrington aren't equipped with TRTS.

Is this actually the case in real life? I somehow find it hard to believe if so.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 29/12/2020 at 21:13 #135574
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Warrington Bank Quay, and Wigan North Western do not have TRTS in real life.

Another oddity on the WCML is Lancaster, which has TRTS in some signals but not some out of the north facing bay platforms. "Pull off and pray" as it was described to me!

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In fact I read a WON entry regarding the removal of platform 2 at Wigan North Western, there was a passing reference to installing TRTS equipment, I'll have to try and find out if that went ahead in the end.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 29/12/2020 at 21:43 #135575
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Interesting. Doesn't make much sense to me as a layman, especially considering how busy both stations are!
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Warrington PSB FAQ 29/12/2020 at 22:55 #135578
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Yeah, the absence of TRTS anywhere in the Warrington sim makes it a lot more challenging. Have to keep an eye on all those trains that originate from Warrington or Wigan.
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Warrington PSB FAQ 29/12/2020 at 23:04 #135580
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swiftaw in post 135578 said:
Yeah, the absence of TRTS anywhere in the Warrington sim makes it a lot more challenging. Have to keep an eye on all those trains that originate from Warrington or Wigan.
Don't feel that you have to wait until the minute before to pull off.

In real life, 25 at Wigan is usually cleared to Yellow within minutes of a Liverpool train arriving in P6. It'll usually be showing Green a few minutes before departure time as well, provided there's nothing that would cause a conflict at Springs Branch Jn.

Similarly, 191 at Warrington BQ is normally cleared a few minutes ahead of time.

Everything else is signalled straight through; it's rare to see anything brought down to a red at Wigan NW or Warrington BQ unless it's approach control/conflicting move.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 29/12/2020 at 23:12 #135582
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Steamer in post 135580 said:
swiftaw in post 135578 said:
Yeah, the absence of TRTS anywhere in the Warrington sim makes it a lot more challenging. Have to keep an eye on all those trains that originate from Warrington or Wigan.
Don't feel that you have to wait until the minute before to pull off.

In real life, 25 at Wigan is usually cleared to Yellow within minutes of a Liverpool train arriving in P6. It'll usually be showing Green a few minutes before departure time as well, provided there's nothing that would cause a conflict at Springs Branch Jn.

Similarly, 191 at Warrington BQ is normally cleared a few minutes ahead of time.

Everything else is signalled straight through; it's rare to see anything brought down to a red at Wigan NW or Warrington BQ unless it's approach control/conflicting move.
Yeah, I usually clear the signal out of Wigan P6 as soon as the train arrives (since it can't conflict with any other movements).

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Warrington PSB FAQ 30/12/2020 at 08:04 #135592
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swiftaw in post 135582 said:
Steamer in post 135580 said:
swiftaw in post 135578 said:
Yeah, the absence of TRTS anywhere in the Warrington sim makes it a lot more challenging. Have to keep an eye on all those trains that originate from Warrington or Wigan.
Don't feel that you have to wait until the minute before to pull off.

In real life, 25 at Wigan is usually cleared to Yellow within minutes of a Liverpool train arriving in P6. It'll usually be showing Green a few minutes before departure time as well, provided there's nothing that would cause a conflict at Springs Branch Jn.

Similarly, 191 at Warrington BQ is normally cleared a few minutes ahead of time.

Everything else is signalled straight through; it's rare to see anything brought down to a red at Wigan NW or Warrington BQ unless it's approach control/conflicting move.
Yeah, I usually clear the signal out of Wigan P6 as soon as the train arrives (since it can't conflict with any other movements).
I very quickly started doing this early on in the sims development when I managed to cause a nice standoff. In context here, a standoff I'm refering to having to start the next passenger service on a shunt rather than the main aspect of Platform 6

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Warrington PSB FAQ 30/12/2020 at 09:28 #135594
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Hot keys 1 & 2 as quoted in the manual seem not to work. [edit: I may have been premature here as they do work on the numeric keypad but not on the "normal" number keys.]

There is a minor typo in the description for hot key 3: there is no U in Golborne.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 30/12/2020 at 10:28 #135599
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NCC1701 in post 135594 said:

There is a minor typo in the description for hot key 3: there is no U in Golborne.
Corrected.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 30/12/2020 at 10:42 #135602
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NCC1701 in post 135594 said:
Hot keys 1 & 2 as quoted in the manual seem not to work. [edit: I may have been premature here as they do work on the numeric keypad but not on the "normal" number keys.]

There is a minor typo in the description for hot key 3: there is no U in Golborne.
Do 1 & 2 on the "normal" number keys work on other sims? Just tried it myself and it didn't matter if I used "normal" or the numpad both worked fine.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 30/12/2020 at 16:33 #135634
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My compliments to the developers and testers of Warrington PSB. Having poked around under the bonnet a little, I'm very impressed. In the earlier era even Ince Moss CCE tip and the Sutton Oak branch included. I didn't expect that!

One observation offered in a constructive spirit. Bearing in mind Arpley Jn has been included on the panel as a "bonus", it seems a shame not to have included a section to the east for the Lymm route that could have linked up with the Cheshire Lines and simulation. OK - it was removed around 1985, but Sutton Oak didn't last much longer IIRC. Lots of freight on that section of line until 1981 and many passenger diversions too. Pretty please?

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Warrington PSB FAQ 13/01/2021 at 15:29 #136348
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I have train 1M44 that has a 90 plus 3x 325 the 90 run round it's train at Warrington RMT. To do this the loco used Signals WN176/166 REV but these aren't in the timetable, for the first rev I used Dallam Jn (SL) but for 166 REV I had to use Winwick Jn.. Are 176/166 not reversing points?
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Warrington PSB FAQ 13/01/2021 at 15:49 #136355
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HST125Scorton in post 136348 said:
I have train 1M44 that has a 90 plus 3x 325 the 90 run round it's train at Warrington RMT. To do this the loco used Signals WN176/166 REV but these aren't in the timetable, for the first rev I used Dallam Jn (SL) but for 166 REV I had to use Winwick Jn.. Are 176/166 not reversing points?
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Warrington PSB FAQ 22/01/2021 at 12:47 #136670
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I wondered whether it would be worth mentioning in the simulation handbook that Wigan NW Platform 1 can only hold 7-8 coaches of passenger stock: or in other words, Pendolinos and 2x221 Voyagers are not allowed in there as they won't fit.
A minor detail but important for accurate working.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 22/01/2021 at 13:19 #136671
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seagull in post 136670 said:
I wondered whether it would be worth mentioning in the simulation handbook that Wigan NW Platform 1 can only hold 7-8 coaches of passenger stock: or in other words, Pendolinos and 2x221 Voyagers are not allowed in there as they won't fit.
A minor detail but important for accurate working.
A note on the platform length, if there isn’t already, yes. But operating practices change over the years, so I wouldn’t use the manual to state that it’s banned.

While it isn’t currently permitted for Pendolinos or multiple Voyager formations to call at the platform at present - that hasn’t always been the case, and further back into the days of loco hauled operations on the West Coast nobody gave a Flamingo how many coaches were platformed or not. It’s also entirely feasible that Avanti make use of the selective door opening available but largely unused on both types at some point in the future, at which point the manual note would be out of date again.

I would say it’s to the player what train operator policies they implement or not; based on the context of what timetable they’re running and how strictly they want to follow such rules.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 22/01/2021 at 13:20 #136672
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seagull in post 136670 said:
I wondered whether it would be worth mentioning in the simulation handbook that Wigan NW Platform 1 can only hold 7-8 coaches of passenger stock: or in other words, Pendolinos and 2x221 Voyagers are not allowed in there as they won't fit.
A minor detail but important for accurate working.
Very accurate this, last year LSL ran the Fellsman it was booked on P1 of all platforms 46100 Royal Scot + 11 Mk1 Coaches and 47805 on rear, they stopped the train at the starting platform signal instead of Wigan South Jn UPL. During it's stop on Platform 1 it held up 5 workings, 1 Avanti, 2 Northern, 1 L/E and 1x Mail working. Causing 20min delays..

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Warrington PSB FAQ 22/01/2021 at 13:45 #136674
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When I tried to route a something - possibly a voyager, possibly a pendolino - through Platform 1 at Wigan to get round a spectacular failure I got a text box warning saying something along the lines that trains of this category were not allowed in that platform at all. Sent it via 6 instead.
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Warrington PSB FAQ 22/01/2021 at 16:56 #136683
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Trains with speed class EPS-E (i.e. Class 390s) will phone a wrong route if booked to stop at Wigan and routed into P1. This is per an instruction in the Sectional Appendix. 390s are permitted to run through P1 non-stop.

I've added a note to the manual to reflect this.

Purely speculation, but is the restriction a result of the folding-out step the 390s have?

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Warrington PSB FAQ 22/01/2021 at 17:38 #136684
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Steamer in post 136683 said:

Purely speculation, but is the restriction a result of the folding-out step the 390s have?
As far as I'm aware it is simply down to length: 7 coaches is the quoted southbound/up accommodated length, which rules out SDO operation on an 11-car 390 (as only the rear 3 vehicles have SDO), and therefore I guess the powers-that-be decided it would be simpler to just ban use of the platform altogether for stopping 390s (and double 221 10-car sets).
Having said that, there may well be other factors involved, like the steps and platform height interface. But if so I don't know exactly what.

Having spent quite a good part of the day playing this simulation, after having just purchased it, I have to say it's very enjoyable and a nice manageable area too for solo playing.

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Warrington PSB FAQ 22/01/2021 at 17:52 #136685
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seagull in post 136684 said:
Steamer in post 136683 said:

Purely speculation, but is the restriction a result of the folding-out step the 390s have?
As far as I'm aware it is simply down to length: 7 coaches is the quoted southbound/up accommodated length, which rules out SDO operation on an 11-car 390 (as only the rear 3 vehicles have SDO), and therefore I guess the powers-that-be decided it would be simpler to just ban use of the platform altogether for stopping 390s (and double 221 10-car sets).
Having said that, there may well be other factors involved, like the steps and platform height interface. But if so I don't know exactly what.

Having spent quite a good part of the day playing this simulation, after having just purchased it, I have to say it's very enjoyable and a nice manageable area too for solo playing.
What's got me thinking is that the Sectional Appendix has the restriction in for 390s but not double 221s, and there are other locations that have short platforms (Penrith P3 for example) which don't have an SA restriction. Hence my thoughts that it's not purely a length issue.

"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Warrington PSB FAQ 22/01/2021 at 18:13 #136686
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Some investigation needed, an interesting one indeed.
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Warrington PSB FAQ Yesterday at 17:22 #136715
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Could Eccles UGL be added in the location list or UGL added in the Platform category as it seems to be missing. I know I can add Eccles and stop a train for a duration but would be handy for those SimSignallers.
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