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| Shunt movement lengths 04/01/2021 at 19:46 #135961 | |
mjkerr
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Is there a limit on the train length of shunt movement, where it enters or exits? Ideally, the length of the two necks at Carlisle station Example A Class 08 plus a number of GUV Platform 5 to Neck (south) to Collier Lane Example B Class 08 plus a number of GUV SA to Neck (north) to Wall DELETED Last edited: 04/01/2021 at 20:25 by mjkerr Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Shunt movement lengths 04/01/2021 at 20:03 #135963 | |
jc92
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A quick seed test for the shunt neck says 314m A test of the north neck says you can get a single loco or vehicle in it. Entry/exit locations have no length limit. Theres no limit of the distant a shunt movement can run, however it ideally needs to start and end off sim due to its random nature of entry. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Last edited: 04/01/2021 at 20:05 by jc92 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Shunt movement lengths 04/01/2021 at 20:04 #135964 | |
Steamer
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When you say 'Shunt movement' are you asking about semi-random shunt moves, as described here: https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:ttuse:shunt_moves ? Or something else? If you are, it needs to enter the simulation and then exit again. So Collier Lane-> Neck-> Collier Lane is fine. They don't necessarily need to enter and exit at the same location (so Kingmoor Yard-> Kingmoor Depot would also be fine). There's no limit on the length, but for obvious reasons those types of moves don't go far. They should not be used for activities (Joins, divides etc.), or where the finish within the simulation. So starting them at Platform 5 or Siding A wouldn't work, neither would having one finish at the wall. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Shunt movement lengths 04/01/2021 at 20:13 #135965 | |
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mjkerr
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jc92 in post 135963 said:A quick seed test for the shunt neck says 314m I assume the shunt neck of 314m is the south neck, as I described above in the example between Platform 5 and Collier Lane I knew the north neck was short, as it is only intended for a loco to swap routes / run round The remaining entry and exit points then become dictated by the maximum (non-passenger) train length for Kingmoor Yard, at 384m and 448m DELETED Log in to reply |
| Shunt movement lengths 04/01/2021 at 20:25 #135966 | |
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mjkerr
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Steamer in post 135964 said:When you say 'Shunt movement' are you asking about semi-random shunt moves, as described here No, I have used the term Shunt movement, but I cannot think what I really should have used These are planned moves In my example A The Class 08 has joined with a number of GUV It then moves to the south neck, reverses It then propels the stock to Collier Lane, where it exits DELETED Last edited: 04/01/2021 at 20:26 by mjkerr Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Shunt movement lengths 08/01/2021 at 22:45 #136124 | |
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mjkerr
174 posts |
I have now started on the Carlisle station shunt movements, wow was that a challenge! This is odd I have trains longer than the simulation advises that can be accepted into platforms The first is a Class 47/4 with total length 156m The simulation display shows P5 142M However this entire train appears to fit Once it has stopped I can then detach the loco Not that I am complaining, why the difference? I had edited the GSW Class 47/4 Mark 1 sets so that they met the P7 and P8 lengths Does the same apply there? DELETED Last edited: 08/01/2021 at 22:46 by mjkerr Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Shunt movement lengths 08/01/2021 at 22:56 #136127 | |
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Steamer
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Looks like the simulation label for P5 is incorrect; the Sectional Appendix shows this as being 165m. The track circuit length for P5 corresponds to this. Mantis 32755 raised to change the label. The lengths of the other bays are correct, give or take a couple of metres. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 08/01/2021 at 22:57 by Steamer Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Shunt movement lengths 08/01/2021 at 23:06 #136132 | |
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mjkerr
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Steamer in post 136127 said:Looks like the simulation label for P5 is incorrect; the Sectional Appendix shows this as being 165m. The track circuit length for P5 corresponds to this. Mantis 32755 raised to change the label Just by luck, the first one I work on and I find the one in the WTT that has a long shunt movement into P5! DELETED Last edited: 08/01/2021 at 23:07 by mjkerr Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Shunt movement lengths 09/01/2021 at 11:37 #136141 | |
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Albert
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Besides from errors in the track circuit length, it is also possible that the track circuit is longer than the platform (i.e. the signal is some distance away from the platform end). I can't find whether this is the case for platform 5 & 6 because there is such a curve in the platform that the photos I can find on the web don't show the signal. In that case the train will fit but needs to advise its passengers not to alight from the rear carriage. AJP in games Last edited: 09/01/2021 at 11:40 by Albert Reason: None given Log in to reply |