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Salford Crescent Line Speeds 2018-2020.

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Salford Crescent Line Speeds 2018-2020. 20/05/2022 at 10:30 #146542
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I raise a query regarding the line speeds at Salford Crescent although it doesn't really affect train timings. I watched a train while running a session from from 50mph to 25mph on the Down Bolton through Salford Crescent Platform 2 then back up to line speed on the Down Bolton to Bolton etc. I have opened a few Sectional Appendix from 2018, 2019 & 2020 including the latest from 2021/22. Down Bolton from Orsdall through Salford Crescent to Down Bolton is all 50mph. During my initial findings I have watch a couple of train run over that section and it seems to go to 25mph at the junction (Up/Dn Sal) before the station. As it bi-directional at Salford Crescent apart from UB. Trains will do 30/25mph out of Platform 1, 40mph UB towards Manchester and the other direction Platform 2 remains 50mph. Where it's 25/30mph onto the Down Atherton & 50mph to line speed on Down Bolton to Bolton. The UB/Platform 1 lines looks ok line speed.
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Salford Crescent Line Speeds 2018-2020. 20/05/2022 at 18:40 #146544
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Mantis 36134 for investigation. At a cursory glance the speed over points 2509 is the wrong way round N/R.
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Salford Crescent Line Speeds 2018-2020. 21/05/2022 at 12:46 #146549
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One other thing the line speed through Piccadilly Platforms 13 & 14 is 20mph. Closely observing some trains last night on the Down Slow from Ardwick Jn to Platform 14 or mainly between Signals 349 to 393, I have recorded trains doing 15mph instead of 20mph the actual line speed. This also seems to apply on the Up Slow from Platform 13 to Ardwick Jn. I know all the cross overs are 15mph and into the all the bay platforms (inside the shed).
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Salford Crescent Line Speeds 2018-2020. 21/05/2022 at 15:32 #146554
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Anything else you've noticed? It's far easier to test 10 things and release once than to test one thing and release times 10.
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Salford Crescent Line Speeds 2018-2020. 21/05/2022 at 19:12 #146561
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GeoffM in post 146554 said:
Anything else you've noticed? It's far easier to test 10 things and release once than to test one thing and release times 10.
I agree with yourself on that, these two were the ones I found recently on my testing. I'm not 100% on routes south of Piccadilly. Only routes from Piccadilly towards Vic/Preston/Lime St via Multiple Routes.
On call routes from trains via Fasts to Platforms 9-1 don't seem to show position lights to allow the train to move into an occupied platform.
I'll let you know if I find more.

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Salford Crescent Line Speeds 2018-2020. 22/05/2022 at 10:16 #146564
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Piccadilly IRL has Lime St Controls - my own experience indicates the ones in the sim are a little on the cautious side, sometimes preventing booked moves which ordinarily happen without issue. That said, I've also seen a pair of 331s overhanging a starter signal (6, I think) but as that was during storm disruption may have been a least-worse option!
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Salford Crescent Line Speeds 2018-2020. 22/05/2022 at 19:38 #146568
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Splodge in post 146564 said:
Piccadilly IRL has Lime St Controls - my own experience indicates the ones in the sim are a little on the cautious side, sometimes preventing booked moves which ordinarily happen without issue. That said, I've also seen a pair of 331s overhanging a starter signal (6, I think) but as that was during storm disruption may have been a least-worse option!
I haven't found anymore issues or queries regarding line speeds. So only three to handle.
Line Speeds - Salford Crescent Station approaches and station.
Line Speeds - Manchester Piccadilly Platforms 13 & 14 to Ardwick both Up/Dn Slow Lines.
Calling on routes - Slow/Fast lines at Piccadilly doesn't always seem show the position lights to allow a move into Piccadilly 1 through 9 that is occupied. Seems ok Plat 10-12 from both Fast/Slow.

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Salford Crescent Line Speeds 2018-2020. 22/05/2022 at 20:16 #146569
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Mantis 36135 to check Lime St control. I can see the data is there but it's possible SimSig trains stop a little too far from the signal and occupy a track it requires clear.
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