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| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 20/07/2022 at 22:25 #147281 | |
clive
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Can anyone think of a place in the UK (or anywhere else, for that matter) where a pedestrian level crossing - not a road traffic one - has flashing warning lights and barriers operated automatically or by a signaller.
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| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 20/07/2022 at 22:33 #147282 | |
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JamesN
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Grays
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| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 20/07/2022 at 23:18 #147283 | |
GeoffM
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Depends whether you mean a completely standalone pedestrian crossing. There are numerous examples around southern California where pedestrians have their own barriers and gates, but work in tandem with an adjacent road crossing. I'm sure I've seen a crossing part way along a station platform with barriers too, but I can't think for the life of me where. I can't work out where this is but would seem to suit the requirements. Another SimSig Boss Last edited: 20/07/2022 at 23:22 by GeoffM Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 21/07/2022 at 03:02 #147284 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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Bicester Eastern Perimeter Road used to have separate barriers for the footpath, so six in all.
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| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 21/07/2022 at 07:06 #147285 | |
flabberdacks
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Melbourne has a great number of flashing lights, audible warnings and automatic gates on pedestrian crossings, operated by track circuit
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| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 21/07/2022 at 08:34 #147286 | |
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kbarber
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It may not quite fit your criteria - it was formerly a road crossing and I think it has now been taken out of use entirely - but Stone Crossing (North Kent line) was one such for a significant period. I think there are or were also some on the LTS around Grays/Rainham, but not sure whether Grays is indeed the only one. Again, though, I have an idea we're looking at former road crossings which became pedestrian only.
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| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 21/07/2022 at 08:46 #147287 | |
jc92
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I cant think of any other than grays, and dven that one is a road crossing repurposed. That's likely to be the only circumstance of a signaller controlled pedestrian crossing outside of wicket gate locks. I didnt think stone ever had lights? It was keeper worked gates released by dartford/North Kent. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 21/07/2022 at 16:05 #147288 | |
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Ron_J
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clive in post 147281 said:Can anyone think of a place in the UK (or anywhere else, for that matter) where a pedestrian level crossing - not a road traffic one - has flashing warning lights and barriers operated automatically or by a signaller.Would Sherburn in Elmett or Cargo Fleet fit the bill?   Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 21/07/2022 at 16:38 #147289 | |
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clive
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Thanks for all these. Any UK ones that aren't simply closed roads?
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| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 21/07/2022 at 21:23 #147290 | |
DaveHarries
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clive in post 147281 said:Can anyone think of a place in the UK (or anywhere else, for that matter) where a pedestrian level crossing - not a road traffic one - has flashing warning lights and barriers operated automatically or by a signaller. Sneinton (Nottingham) was a good example but that no longer exists: the Google Earth view from 2017 shows the crossing gone but a closer one from 2012 shows box and crossing so presumably the crossing and the box closed at the same time. I can't think of any others. Dave   Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 21/07/2022 at 21:53 #147291 | |
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JamesN
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clive in post 147289 said:Thanks for all these. Any UK ones that aren't simply closed roads?I’d suggest it’s very unlikely any have been that way “from new” - pure pedestrian crossings haven’t ever been required to have automatic/controlled barriers or flashing red lights as far as I can see - manual gates/barriers and simple warning lights being sufficient respectively where required. Log in to reply |
| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 22/07/2022 at 03:31 #147292 | |
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Chromatix
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Pedestrian barrier LCs are very common in Japan; at many rural stations they form the main access to one or more platforms. They're often triggered by either the overlap or onward route being set from the protecting signal, so they'll be down as the train approaches, raise during the stop, then lower again just before the signal clears for departure.
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| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 22/07/2022 at 05:47 #147293 | |
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Dionysusnu
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The same is common in the Netherlands (what Chromatix described), although without lowering in the overlap. Examples: Santpoort Zuid  Nijkerk https://www.flickr.com/photos/graffitiremco/15708814605 Last edited: 22/07/2022 at 05:53 by Dionysusnu Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 22/07/2022 at 12:24 #147294 | |
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sunocske
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We have quite some in Hungary, too, but without barriers. These installations are a bit different from the usual road crossings, as the signal heads are positioned to the opposite side of the railway lines like they used to at zebra crossings. Aspects are the same for road traffic (except the absence of St. Andrew's crosses on the top of the signals, as the conventional 'highway code' does not apply to them - no road traffic): flashing white - you may cross, double zig-zag red - train coming, do not cross, no lights - malfunction. The first example shows a pedestrian crossing between the two platforms of a halt. https://www.google.hu/maps/@47.5627222,19.3763431,3a,17y,26.01h,92.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss3lHs8HjCCg6ZZCTR3Lc_Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 These are pedestrian crossings near Lake Balaton (there are plenty of them around the lake, almost every kilometre of railway has an own crossing and most of them are equipped with warning lights): https://www.google.hu/maps/@46.9043372,18.0432926,3a,60y,152.5h,88.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss9LDIk3w6sUtJ4U0Dp9lhg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 https://www.google.hu/maps/@46.8965384,18.0132455,3a,60y,11.73h,89.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4npZEOhs9VqdIcQRYgq30g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 And an odd one, a pedestrian crossing with manual barrier operated by the pointsman from the cabin visible on the image (we refer to these cabins in railway jargon as towers, quite euphemistic!). It was a road crossing decades ago, until the flyover on the left has been built: https://www.google.hu/maps/@47.5632505,19.111859,3a,17y,272.02h,88.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4gk6KeC-s3d8m3NJMddT7A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 For the last one, the plate on the barrier says "this crossing should be closed for over 10 minutes, up to 18 minutes once a day". This crossing sees at least 10 trains per hour in the morning and evening peak, and should be lowered before the signals cleared for them, however, no interlocking between the barrier and the signalling system. Thence the pointsmen usually keep the barriers closed during peak hours and only open if they see enough time between trains and pedestrians start waving, shouting or throwing pebbles to the windows - the other side of the crossing is barely visible from the cabin 
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| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 22/07/2022 at 14:05 #147295 | |
i26
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Poole level crossing.
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| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 22/07/2022 at 17:39 #147296 | |
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bill_gensheet
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Lincoln is similar - former road crossing now pedestrianised and equipment retained Bill Log in to reply |
| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 23/07/2022 at 18:11 #147297 | |
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ambergatesm
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I've just looked on Google Street view. It's Lincoln High Street. I use to drive buses in and around Lincoln and it always was a bottleneck for traffic, except for when they did the resignalling scheme and the line was Closed.
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| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 24/07/2022 at 23:28 #147323 | |
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Chromatix
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Chromatix in post 147292 said:Pedestrian barrier LCs are very common in Japan; at many rural stations they form the main access to one or more platforms. They're often triggered by either the overlap or onward route being set from the protecting signal, so they'll be down as the train approaches, raise during the stop, then lower again just before the signal clears for departure.I found some concrete examples on JR Shikoku's Mugi Line, which runs southwards from Tokushima on the east coast of the island: At Chuuden, there is a passenger crossing with barriers installed ahead of an arriving train. This causes it to operate twice per stopping train. The barriers raise after the overlap drops out to allow late-arriving passengers to reach the train safely. They then lower again before departure. Then, at Hanoura, there is a passenger crossing with barriers installed behind an arriving train. This would operate only once per train, and raise as soon as the train had cleared it. Note also the two crossings immediately before the station, one of which serves an ordinary road, but the second seems too narrow for motor vehicles to use - except perhaps mopeds. On departure from Awa-Nakashima, we see two narrow barrier crossings in quick succession, not immediately associated with a station. At the second one, we can even see a road sign prohibiting motor vehicles from using the crossing. (On the left, note also the small railway-facing sign indicating a tsunami evacuation route.) Log in to reply |
| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 25/07/2022 at 19:20 #147339 | |
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Albert
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Dionysusnu in post 147293 said:The same is common in the Netherlands (what Chromatix described), although without lowering in the overlap.I think most crossings there are not pedestrian only but pedestrian + bicycle, unless it's a crossing at a station. Veenendaal-de Klomp is an example of a crossing that is not next to a road, but actually pedestrian only (the road runs below the station.) AJP in games Log in to reply |
| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 25/07/2022 at 21:44 #147341 | |
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Dionysusnu
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Albert in post 147339 said:Dionysusnu in post 147293 said:Which is what Chromatix mentioned was a primary use of them.The same is common in the Netherlands (what Chromatix described), although without lowering in the overlap.I think most crossings there are not pedestrian only but pedestrian + bicycle, unless it's a crossing at a station. Albert in post 147339 said: Veenendaal-de Klomp is an example of a crossing that is not next to a road, but actually pedestrian only (the road runs below the station.)My examples of Nijkerk and Santpoort Zuid, as well as yours of De Klomp, are crossings only meant for pedestrian access to platforms, not for bicycles. Unless you count taking them on the train journey :) For crossings separate from stations and not open to cars, I don't know of many. Bicycle tunnels are built more easily because they don't require as much height clearance. You may find a few crossings on rural roads that are "verboden voor autos uitgezonderd bestemmingsverkeer", but it depends if you count those. Edit: Might have just found one solely for bicycles: [google maps links refuse to work, go to 52.04147997287223, 5.6100130189184325 in streetview and look south] . Sign on the right means bicycle path only (and pedestrians). If you zoom in, you can faintly see the barrier. If you look from satellite view, the crossing surface is purple/pink, which is also used to indicate bicycle paths. Last edited: 25/07/2022 at 21:53 by Dionysusnu Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 09/10/2022 at 15:28 #148311 | |
pchris
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I have an example here in Austria. It is located at the far west in Bregenz. The station is called Bregenz Hafen and the level crossing is used by pedestrians and cyclists from the city center to the shore of Lake Constance. But it is also the only access to the platform. The crossing has two separate barriers. Google Streetview Short Youtube Video Log in to reply |
| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 10/10/2022 at 06:25 #148315 | |
Giantray
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JamesN in post 147282 said:Grays Not sure that Grays has "Flashing Red Lights", last I remember it had a RED "Do not cross when red light shows" warning light. Flashing Red Light ( steady yellow the flashing red) are Road Traffic signals. Purely Footpath Level Crossings normally have no lights, pedestrians warned by train horn/whistle. Where sighting of trains is tight, RED "Do not cross when red light shows" warning light or Miniature Red/Greeen Lights are used. Retired Professional Railwayman (1981-2023); Pway & S&T (1981-88); Former Signalman/Signaller/ Signalling Trainer (1989-2023) [AB, TCB, Mechanical, NX, WestCad, Hitachi SARS]; Railway Historian (esp.SER, LCDR); Member of The Permanent Way Institution.. Log in to reply |
| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 10/10/2022 at 09:49 #148316 | |
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bill_gensheet
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Google image for Grays - April 2018 https://goo.gl/maps/SHzRVhu1y78R3dvJ8 Barriers plus the red light 'do not cross.....' as you described. However Lincoln still has/had the old road lights: https://goo.gl/maps/HsyG5ChFx9egiYD26 There is a more conventional pedestrian light on the posts there too. Log in to reply |
| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 11/10/2022 at 10:59 #148323 | |
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simple68
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I think this is an example. Just north of Bishops Stortford on the west Anglia main line https://www.google.com/maps/@51.8812452,0.1677346,3a,24y,103.32h,92.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAF1QipM2syn4T4KEAVbuXWK2NeYiTTBU-nU8R9k5dtjd!2e10!7i6272!8i3136 https://abcrailwayguide.uk/cannons-mill-lane-public-level-crossing-hertfordshire#.Y0VLjXbMKUk Si Log in to reply |
| Pedestrian level crossing with flashing lights? 15/10/2022 at 07:04 #148372 | |
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Giantray
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simple68 in post 148323 said:I think this is an example. Just north of Bishops Stortford on the west Anglia main line The crossing you mention has Minature Red/Green lights and do not flash. The original post was refering to Road Traffic lights, steady yellow then flashing alternate red lights. Retired Professional Railwayman (1981-2023); Pway & S&T (1981-88); Former Signalman/Signaller/ Signalling Trainer (1989-2023) [AB, TCB, Mechanical, NX, WestCad, Hitachi SARS]; Railway Historian (esp.SER, LCDR); Member of The Permanent Way Institution.. Log in to reply |