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Crewe FAQ 17/04/2023 at 17:29 #151193 | |
headshot119
4869 posts |
Crewe Frequently Asked Questions Do you think you've found a bug? Or if you have a problem running the simulation, check through this thread first. Remember timetables are dealt with in the relevant timetable thread. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Last edited: 17/04/2023 at 18:58 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 07/05/2023 at 17:13 #151707 | |
MrSuttonmann
265 posts |
Had a train (sorry, no save, I remembered a few days later) depart Crewe for the Electric Depot. Accidentally signaled from CE161 to SW2 and he didn't call wrong route. Luckily I noticed in time and I had to stop and reverse him at SW13 to go in through the back door. Secondly, I had an LE reverse at Western Sidings to go into the wagon shop. His headcode disappeared once arrived at Western Sidings even though he was only reversing there and not exiting. Thirdly, it might be worth reviewing the interpose functionality on the Gresty Lane Down Through Siding signals GL53, GL9014, GL9015 (which don't have it) and GL55 & GL46 (which do have it). A train which is timetabled through the Down Through loses its headcode unless manually interposed on GL46. I imagine this might be intended behaviour. Fourth, and final - Trains departing platform 1 towards Wilmslow don't pick up a TD interposed on CE136 at the other end of the platform, unlike the other through platforms at Crewe. The TD gets left and the train departs without a code. This doesn't happen if the train is signalled into the EMU stabling siding, however. All these are in the 2007 - 2015 era, I've not checked any other era. (Formerly known as manadude2) Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 07/05/2023 at 18:06 #151708 | |
pedroathome
914 posts |
MrSuttonmann in post 151707 said:Mantis 38627 - Applies for both routes from this signal MrSuttonmann in post 151707 said: This is intentional behavior and has been done this way to be consistent with the TD stepping on Crewe PSB. Once the final track clears, the berth will also clear out. You'll see this also happening with one of the early morning trains which goes into the Down Refuge Siding on Crewe PSB South. MrSuttonmann in post 151707 said: Mantis 38628 - I need to see whats going on here, and why I did what I did MrSuttonmann in post 151707 said: Mantis 38629 - This is the only bit I will need a save on. I can see that there is something different between the TD stepping between Platforms 1 & 5 but I can't see why a TD would be getting left at the berth for CE136 and not shuttling across, unless Signal CE136 was also showing a proceed aspect. MrSuttonmann in post 151707 said: With the exception of your third issue, the issues will apply in all eras. (Maybe different clearing out conditions at Gresty Lane). I think there is more TD berths available in the 2016 era at Gresty Lane. James Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 09/05/2023 at 08:28 #151723 | |
MrSuttonmann
265 posts |
pedroathome in post 151708 said:Hi James, thanks for looking at and clarifying these issues. Please ignore my fourth issue - it seems I was mistaken. The trains DO leave with an interposed TD on the far signal, however if you have a train enter P1 from Sandbach which returns back to Manchester and interpose the new TD on the departure end, it will leave the old TD on the far end signal after departure. I saw this happen and incorrectly assumed that the train had left without its headcode. (Formerly known as manadude2) Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 09/05/2023 at 18:05 #151726 | |
pedroathome
914 posts |
MrSuttonmann in post 151723 said:pedroathome in post 151708 said:No worries. Its an easy one to miss whats going on at times, and probably doesn't help with the last sent berths clearing out, mixed with the platform berths not clearing when the track clears.Hi James, thanks for looking at and clarifying these issues. Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 10/05/2023 at 12:08 #151741 | |
MrSuttonmann
265 posts |
An additional minor one - there's a typo when receiving a slot from Crewe Carriage Shed: "Permission granted for 5U47 (Crewe Cariage Shed 2)"
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Crewe FAQ 16/05/2023 at 21:07 #151861 | |
HST125Scorton
1182 posts |
Found two missing paths from Crewe Platform 9 to FL/SL Crewe Coal Yard SB. Both throw up the pathing error in the latest era. Crewe Platform 10 to FL/SL Crewe Coal Yard SB is all ok no issues.
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Crewe FAQ 16/05/2023 at 21:11 #151862 | |
headshot119
4869 posts |
HST125Scorton in post 151861 said:Found two missing paths from Crewe Platform 9 to FL/SL Crewe Coal Yard SB. Both throw up the pathing error in the latest era. Crewe Platform 10 to FL/SL Crewe Coal Yard SB is all ok no issues.It's not possible to depart platform 9 towards Crewe Coal Yard, you can only route onto the Down / Up Chester lines. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 16/05/2023 at 21:14 #151863 | |
HST125Scorton
1182 posts |
headshot119 in post 151862 said:HST125Scorton in post 151861 said:Doh!! I forgot about that!!. It's only Platform 10.... Whoopsie from myself there, please disregard this then.Found two missing paths from Crewe Platform 9 to FL/SL Crewe Coal Yard SB. Both throw up the pathing error in the latest era. Crewe Platform 10 to FL/SL Crewe Coal Yard SB is all ok no issues.It's not possible to depart platform 9 towards Crewe Coal Yard, you can only route onto the Down / Up Chester lines. Aaron (AJRO) | Timetable Writer Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 18/05/2023 at 18:19 #151898 | |
lazzer
620 posts |
I don't think this issue has been reported yet, and I can find no reference to it being a "known issue", but the "Last Sent" berths at the following locations never show the headcode of the last train sent. They are perpetually blank: Down Main towards Acton Grange Down Liverpool towards Runcorn Up Branch towards Hartford CLC Down Wilmslow towards Sydney Bridge Junction Down Salop towards Salop Goods (Exit A) Down Liverpool Ind towards Crewe Coal Yard (Exit B1) Down Manchester Ind towards Sydney Bridge Junction and Sandbach Up Salop towards Gresty Lane (exit A) (this one isn't even labelled "Last Sent") Down Goods towards Gresty lane (Exit G) (also not labelled) Up Independent towards Basford Hall Junction (Exit E) Of the remaining berths, the only one I have seen with a headcode in it is the one on the Down Main approaching Crewe Station from the Gresty Lane panel (Exit F). I can't remember if I've sent trains via any others I haven't mentioned, so I can't say if they exhibit the same behaviour. EDIT - I made a point of watching 5N14 exit the area Acton Grange. The berth displayed the headcode as the train approached the exit, up until the final track circuit became unoccupied. The berth then went blank as the train exited the sim. I assume all the others listed above are doing the same. Last edited: 18/05/2023 at 18:29 by lazzer Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 18/05/2023 at 18:31 #151899 | |
Hap
1021 posts |
https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=simulations:Crewe:Features TD Stepping TD stepping around the Crewe area might look inconsistent but is implemented based on plans and observations from Network Rail Open Data Feeds. There are some inconsistencies with how train describers are normally depicted in SimSig. Important to note is that the Last Sent berths will populate when the adjacent area will see the description in their approach berth. One example is the last sent to Kidsgrove will populate as a train steps into the berths for Signals CE196 and CR198 with a route set through. Approach berths to Crewe PSB’s fringe boxes will populate when the last sent berth would populate in reality. This is generally, but not always when a train has two green signals ahead of it. Last Sent berths will all clear out when the last track circuit in the route clears. How to report an issue: www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:reportanissue Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 18/05/2023 at 18:46 #151900 | |
lazzer
620 posts |
I even read that page a few days ago ...
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Crewe FAQ 18/05/2023 at 19:39 #151901 | |
flabberdacks
621 posts |
It's alright, I think everyone that tested the sim went "huh?" when presented with the correct behaviour of those Last Sent berths. Absolutely perplexing design that seems to defeat the purpose of having them. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Hap |
Crewe FAQ 19/05/2023 at 15:01 #151904 | |
lazzer
620 posts |
Does the same thing apply to the berth for the Down Refuge Siding at Crewe? You can manually interpose a headcode, but what's the point of it if you have to do that?
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Crewe FAQ 19/05/2023 at 17:57 #151905 | |
y10g9
895 posts |
lazzer in post 151904 said:Does the same thing apply to the berth for the Down Refuge Siding at Crewe? You can manually interpose a headcode, but what's the point of it if you have to do that?As per the manual in the crewe PSB Section Quote: Routes to the Shunt Neck, Carriage Shed, Down Refuge Siding, CE543 and CE551 will initially step, before clearing out as the train goes into the siding. Conversely, on the North end of the panel, descriptions will clear out when stepping towards the Engine Siding (CE570). Manual section here Last edited: 19/05/2023 at 17:58 by y10g9 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 22/05/2023 at 16:18 #151924 | |
Splodge
714 posts |
Should there be a route from NH7 to Up Arrival 2? It looks possible from the track layout but I get the 'no route between selected signals' warning when I try it
There's the right way, the wrong way and the railway. Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 22/05/2023 at 16:37 #151925 | |
headshot119
4869 posts |
Splodge in post 151924 said:Should there be a route from NH7 to Up Arrival 2? It looks possible from the track layout but I get the 'no route between selected signals' warning when I try itJust double checked and no, no route from NH7 to Up Arrival 2. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Splodge |
Crewe FAQ 22/05/2023 at 18:12 #151926 | |
Splodge
714 posts |
Thanks for checking. For my sins I'm trying the Salop Goods closure scenario - the only issue I'm having is the headcode transfer from Crewe PSB to Sorting Sidings via NH7/CE543 seems very hit and miss as to whether it works, even though I've consistently used the through acceptance buttons (I know this is more for point locking) - sometimes the headcode transfers right through onto the next panel, other times it sticks at the 'wrong' end on the slot screen. Does a completely through route need to be set (rather than holding at NH7/CE543)? There's the right way, the wrong way and the railway. Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 22/05/2023 at 19:27 #151927 | |
pedroathome
914 posts |
Splodge in post 151926 said:Thanks for checking.Mantis 38704 It will be down to the length of the train which is why it will appear random at the moment. Long trains won't do this. Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 24/05/2023 at 17:26 #151945 | |
HST125Scorton
1182 posts |
Just a query regarding freight at Basford Hall SSM/SSN that are booked to stop for 20-30min upto 1 hour will the trains 'fall off the sim?' while waiting there booked time? Example train Freightliner's 6V51 Tunstead to Park Royal Macron has a layover from 0029-0118. If I place into the Arrival road either will it stay within the yard and come back out if I have 'Wait for Time' on it? I'll presume I'll need Basford Hall SSM/SSN in the timetable? From the manual 'Trains which have been routed via either the Up Arrival No.1 or No.2 or the Up Loop on Sorting Sidings North, and are timetabled through to Basford Hall Junction will reappear on the respective Up Departure No.1 or No.2 and Up Neck. As with trains entering, they will phone for permission to pass the stop board.' Aaron (AJRO) | Timetable Writer Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 24/05/2023 at 17:57 #151946 | |
y10g9
895 posts |
HST125Scorton in post 151945 said:Just a query regarding freight at Basford Hall SSM/SSN that are booked to stop for 20-30min upto 1 hour will the trains 'fall off the sim?' while waiting there booked time? Example train Freightliner's 6V51 Tunstead to Park Royal Macron has a layover from 0029-0118. If I place into the Arrival road either will it stay within the yard and come back out if I have 'Wait for Time' on it? I'll presume I'll need Basford Hall SSM/SSN in the timetable?If the train is booked to stop in Basford Hall, and then continue south, the schedule has to be split as the train will fall off the sim when it enters Basford Hall yard, and will need a second schedule for it to enter at the south end of the yard. The line from the manual only relates to trains that are not booked to enter Basford Hall (booked to travel on the independant lines) but are diverted into the yard Log in to reply The following user said thank you: HST125Scorton |
Crewe FAQ 24/05/2023 at 19:14 #151947 | |
HST125Scorton
1182 posts |
y10g9 in post 151946 said:HST125Scorton in post 151945 said:Just a query regarding freight at Basford Hall SSM/SSN that are booked to stop for 20-30min upto 1 hour will the trains 'fall off the sim?' while waiting there booked time? Example train Freightliner's 6V51 Tunstead to Park Royal Macron has a layover from 0029-0118. If I place into the Arrival road either will it stay within the yard and come back out if I have 'Wait for Time' on it? I'll presume I'll need Basford Hall SSM/SSN in the timetable?If the train is booked to stop in Basford Hall, and then continue south, the schedule has to be split as the train will fall off the sim when it enters Basford Hall yard, and will need a second schedule for it to enter at the south end of the yard. Thank you for explaining that's good enough to boost me confidence a little. The 6 timetables I've done for Crewe I avoided placing the freight in via Basford Hall till now. Aaron (AJRO) | Timetable Writer Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 25/05/2023 at 07:02 #151951 | |
Jan
899 posts |
y10g9 in post 151946 said:The line from the manual only relates to trains that are not booked to enter Basford Hall (booked to travel on the independant lines) but are diverted into the yard Not quite, it also covers trains that are laying over on the Arrival lines or the Up Loop without shunting into the yard proper. Off-hand I don't remember whether the timetable contains any examples of the former (though I have an inkling that there's at least one train that is booked via the No. 1 Arrival and is consequently one of the few trains to also use the No. 1 Departure), but in any case there definitively are some trains booked via the Basford Hall Up Loop. Two million people attempt to use Birmingham's magnificent rail network every year, with just over a million of them managing to get further than Smethwick. Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 25/05/2023 at 10:46 #151952 | |
slatteryc
254 posts |
question folks : 1M13 goes through Crewe station nonstop and I had it signalled through on the UF it slows down to 15mph through the station on the UF . Is this correct ? rerunning the save and it doesnt happen drops to 80 only. sorry ! If it happens again I'll try and trap it in a save Last edited: 25/05/2023 at 10:54 by slatteryc Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Crewe FAQ 25/05/2023 at 11:05 #151953 | |
Hap
1021 posts |
slatteryc in post 151952 said:question folks : 1M13 goes through Crewe station nonstop and I had it signalled through on the UFWas just about to ask, did he have greens all the way or has he approached cautions before the routes were set? I also can't replicate this and the track data is good for 80 throughout the UF though the station. Craig How to report an issue: www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:reportanissue Log in to reply |