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Questions/Comments 27/05/2024 at 18:32 #156375
flabberdacks
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Hi everyone.

Creating this thread for anyone who has any questions about the new Sydney Box simulation that might not warrant their own thread.

The user manual is available at https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=simulations%3Asydneynsw

There are specific sections for the bits that might trip people up - players might find the 'Pulling List' for Sydney Yard workstation useful, as there are some oversetting requirements to get certain routes to set up. It might seem confusing at first, but once you learn it, you'll be right.

The 2017-11-01 timetable will also send you the huge Indian Pacific passenger train. It's far too long for any platform and requires a specific series of moves to break the train into portions before being shunted into multiple platforms. A set of instructions is provided in the manual for you to follow.

Please ask away if anything comes to mind!

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Sydney Box Questions/Comments 30/05/2024 at 21:14 #156429
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Great sim!

I'm having a small issue here. I'm not able to set a route from signal SY 496 IL to SY 484 L, as the points is locked reverse by another route. Signal SY 486 IL is at stop. Is this a bug, or am I doing something wrong?


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Sydney Box Questions/Comments 31/05/2024 at 03:20 #156434
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stighetl in post 156429 said:
Great sim!

I'm having a small issue here. I'm not able to set a route from signal SY 496 IL to SY 484 L, as the points is locked reverse by another route. Signal SY 486 IL is at stop. Is this a bug, or am I doing something wrong?
Would you please be able to post a savegame so I can load it up myself and have a look?

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Sydney Box Questions/Comments 01/06/2024 at 16:04 #156448
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Here's a savegame
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Sydney Box Questions/Comments 02/06/2024 at 01:19 #156449
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The route from SY 522 L to SY 516 L locks these points normal (which is surprising because they appear to be beyond the overlap), perhaps try clearing that route?
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Sydney Box Questions/Comments 02/06/2024 at 03:16 #156450
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Yes, that's right - there's often extra protection for converging movements like this.
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Sydney Box Questions/Comments 04/06/2024 at 21:59 #156469
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Some problems I've noticed are

1) 8 car trains stopping at Redfern P1 stop in advance of SY 131 M
2) Trains timetabled to stop at Redfern P5 don't stop if SY 442 is clear
3) In the 1980 - 1995 era, using Macdonaldtown (Frame E) will cause the wrong graphics to show on the screen
4) In the 1980 - 1995 era, Shunt Limit (The one just below SY 114 on the diagram) is selectable as a starting signal despite having no routes

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Sydney Box Questions/Comments 04/06/2024 at 23:02 #156471
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I have since reproduced problem 2 with Redfern P7, just let the attached saved game run

(Edit: After some testing, I think the issue might be that the signals on the whole loop are treated as mid-platform signals)

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Sydney Box Questions/Comments 05/06/2024 at 01:37 #156473
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Cheers

Redfern P1 is a little shorter than the other platforms and 8car trains especially V-sets draw past the signal to reach the correct stopping position.

I'll have a look at the other things as soon as I'm able.

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Sydney Box Questions/Comments 06/06/2024 at 02:11 #156486
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zandoodle in post 156469 said:
Some problems I've noticed are

1) 8 car trains stopping at Redfern P1 stop in advance of SY 131 M
2) Trains timetabled to stop at Redfern P5 don't stop if SY 442 is clear
3) In the 1980 - 1995 era, using Macdonaldtown (Frame E) will cause the wrong graphics to show on the screen
4) In the 1980 - 1995 era, Shunt Limit (The one just below SY 114 on the diagram) is selectable as a starting signal despite having no routes
After a couple of my testers and I had a look at this, we've got:

1) No fault found due to shorter platform
2) Able to reproduce this in the save provided, but no other trains are affected, and it doesn't happen in any new game we've started. This is an odd one, which we'll keep an eye on. If there was a problem with the location, it would affect all trains. Or at least that same train every time. Struggling to reliably reproduce.
3) Mantis 40953
4) Mantis 40954

Thanks for your assistance in reporting.

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Sydney Box Questions/Comments 07/06/2024 at 15:53 #156496
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I was able to reproduce 2 on another sim (Strathfield) and I think there has to be a clear route (no reds) from one platform at a station to another platform at the same station
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Sydney Box Questions/Comments 08/06/2024 at 04:55 #156502
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Thanks - we've been able to replicate it, a very specific set of conditions needs to be met but it does happen each time those conditions are met. Thankyou again for your help.

Mantis 40968

edit: Also logged Mantis 40969 for Strathfield - Oly Park - Strathfield causing problems under the same conditions. Thankyou.

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