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Sheffield 1983-1984 04/02/2010 at 11:42 #653
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I have just finished compiling a Sheffield 1983-1984 timetable. At present it is with NoisyNoel as he is adding some bits & pieces to it & once he has finished with it & we have tested it, it will then be uploaded for general release. This timetable will be further amended when the new version of Sheffield has been released. This timetable runs on the 1980s scenario. Freight activities on thsi timetable far outweigh the passenger & parcels traffic & as a result screen 6 is alot busier than in previous timetables. For those who enjoy playing Sheffield as I do, I am now currently doing a Sheffield 1981/82 timetable to follow on from this one. More info on that nearer the time of release. Not sure yet whether the 1983/84 timetable will be put on general release & then we do any alterations as people find issues that need correcting or we get some testers to test it first. Will have to discuss this with Noel. I have played it from 0000 - 0600 & that seems to be OK so far. Watch this space.
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Sheffield 1983-1984 04/02/2010 at 11:42 #6441
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I have just finished compiling a Sheffield 1983-1984 timetable. At present it is with NoisyNoel as he is adding some bits & pieces to it & once he has finished with it & we have tested it, it will then be uploaded for general release. This timetable will be further amended when the new version of Sheffield has been released. This timetable runs on the 1980s scenario. Freight activities on thsi timetable far outweigh the passenger & parcels traffic & as a result screen 6 is alot busier than in previous timetables. For those who enjoy playing Sheffield as I do, I am now currently doing a Sheffield 1981/82 timetable to follow on from this one. More info on that nearer the time of release. Not sure yet whether the 1983/84 timetable will be put on general release & then we do any alterations as people find issues that need correcting or we get some testers to test it first. Will have to discuss this with Noel. I have played it from 0000 - 0600 & that seems to be OK so far. Watch this space.
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Sheffield 1983-1984 04/02/2010 at 19:03 #6446
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Happy to test again for you if needed, let me know!
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Sheffield 1983-1984 05/02/2010 at 10:39 #6453
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Thanks for the offer. Once NoisyNoel has finished doing what he is doing to this timetable & I know he was going to get Sacro to run his programme which highlights platdorm clashes. Once this has been done & I've got a few more 1ZXX's & 6ZXX's to add, then testers will be requested. Once this 1983-1984 timetable has been completed I will then finish off the 1991-1994 timetable I did. All the class 2 services in the 1983-1984 passenger & parcels WTT run wit6h specific headcodes throughout the whole day. The same is also the case in the 1981-1982 Section YE. Whereby the more up to date WTT's have a separate headcode for each individual train. For EG: All Sheffield - Chesterfield - Sheffield services are 2J55. All Sheffield - New Mills Central services are 2M85 & the return New Mills Central - Sheffield are 2E85. Therefore I've added'-A, -B, -C etc. To all class 2 services. The other variation I included is all the Doncaster Coal Trip services I've timetabled between Doncs Down Decoy - Silverwood Colliery - Doncs Down Decoy, so there is a fair amount of MGR trip workings between Silverwood Colliery & Hexthorpe Jn, plus the booked Scunthorpe CHP - Silverwood Colliery - Scunthorpe CHP services. The other thing to note when playing this timetable is the number of locos running between Tinsley TMD - Tinsley Yard - Tinsley TMD. At some points it is on a comtimuous basis. I've included all loco's on & off the TMD for all arrivals & departures from Tinsley Yard along with through services which are booked a loco change at Tinsley yard. I've played this timetable from 0000 - 0600 & screen 6 is alot busier than screen 2 around 0500-0600 time. One question to anyone out there who reads this. I suspect at this time most DMUs serving Sheffield station were fuelled & maintained at Darnal TMD. The section YE for 1983-1984 doesn't show any 5XXX from Darnall - Sheffield - Darnall, only on Saturday Only (SO) services. I've timetabled the DMUs & some locos on & off Sheffield HS. I would imagine in reality both instalations were used at this time. Does anyone know for definate as I'm not certain when Darnall TMD closed? As a guess I would have said mid to late 1980s.
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Sheffield 1983-1984 05/02/2010 at 11:02 #6454
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58050,

Sheffield Darnall closed as a wagon repair depot sometime in 1987.

Hope this helps.

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Sheffield 1983-1984 05/02/2010 at 14:39 #6458
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Thanks for that Paul. I think then that in 1983-1984 Darnall TMD was still stabling & maintaining units there. Noel if you are reading this thread, whilst you are checking the platform clashes with the help of Sacro, one possible way to avoid certain platdorm clashes could be putting in ECS DMU moves from Darnall - Sheffield station as opposed to using Sheffield HS. This would free up P1A as well as P1B. Likewise in the evenings units could go to Darnall for fuelling & or maintenance. There are a couple of trip workings from Tinsley Yard to Darnall Sdgs during the 24 hour period. There are more ECS moves between Darnall Sdgs & Sheffield station in the 1981-1982 section 'YE' WTT. There are 3 afternoon/evening loco-hauled services from Leeds - Sheffield, whereby I've put a loco ex Sheffield HS - P5 & attach to the rear of the stock & the ECS then goes Top n' Tail to Woodburn Jn, whereby the west end loco goes LD to Sheffield HS & the the east end loco takes the stock into Darnall Sdgs & returns to Sheffield HS a short time later. If my memory serves me correctly I think there are 3 or Cl.31/4's which end up on Sheffield HS along with a couple of Cl.45/0s. As I am sure there must have been some mainline engines outstabled at Sheffield station as opposed to having all mainline locos stabled at Tinsley TMD.
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Sheffield 1983-1984 06/02/2010 at 08:33 #6464
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Pascal,
Not a problem. There is a problem with the loco from orgreaves (0J03) but I'm gonna look into that as I think it's a sim bug. I've started work on the shunts, so shouldn't be long.

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Sheffield 1983-1984 06/02/2010 at 10:59 #6465
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Noel I know about 0J03. I've altered it on the 1981-1982 timetable. Instead of the loco coming off Orgreaves Sdgs from the north end, send it out of the south end & reverse it at Treeton South, then route it to Tinsley TMD via Treeton Jn & Catcliffe Jn.
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Sheffield 1983-1984 03/04/2010 at 06:37 #8134
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For those of you who don't yet already know Sheffield 1983-1984 has now been released & you'll find it on the downloads section. To run this timetable you must select 1980's scenario. Be warned this one is not too easy. It's the era of BR blue,no American engines or Sprinters. Freight certainly plays a big part in this timetable & screen 6 is exceptionally busy. All the Tinsley yard Trip dating from 1985 have been included as this was the nearest set I had to the date, with some slight destination alterations to one or two of them. Platforming of DMUs at Sheffield sorted out by NoisyNoel & even he found this difficult due to some of the turn arounds being quite long. There will be a second release in the future as NoisyNoel & I both intend to modify the MGR workings at Barrow Hill to make it slightly more realistic & use the 'Goods Lines' to stable trains instead of in this version where everything goes in & comes out of Barrow Hill RS. There are quite a number of '1ZXX's, these trains don't have allocated platforms at Sheffield due to them running on an ad-hoc basis & in reality would have been dealt with by the signaller & station staff where the trains appeared on the panel. I'm sure people will find some issues & 'Rules' that need adding so can you please post any comments or problems on this secton of the forum. There are 2 track circuit issues at the north end of Sheffield station in the moring. One occurs when 5E01 berths in DSS & 1E62 is in P1B & 4E05-2 is in P5. Loco off 5E01 forms 0M00 & blocks up north end of Sheffield station all on its own accord. The same thing occurs when 4M38-1 arrives in P2, the loco detaches as 0M38 & goes to DSS to collect the vans off 5E01 to attach to the front of 4M38-2. This timetable is busier than King's Cross at times so I've been told. So far I've only got up to 0700 in the morning. Anyway hope you enjoy it.
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Sheffield 1983-1984 04/04/2010 at 10:22 #8165
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To anyone who downloads this timetable you need to go into the timetable via 'F4' key, select timetable & alter the platforms on 2 trains. 0E16 needs a change from P2 to P5 & also 3E16-1 from P2 - P5 as 5D71 occupies P2 until the shunt loco comes off Tinsley TMD & collects it. If I come across anymore changes I will post them here. I'm up to 06:11, if anyone has got further than me at present coul you please advise of any further issues. Hopefully whilst 3E16-1 is in P5 it won't block any other trains requiring that platform.
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Sheffield 1983-1984 05/04/2010 at 09:02 #8188
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58050,

Re your post no.9 about changing the Sheffield TT :-

a) I went to change 0E16 from P2 to P5 as suggested and found it already shows P5

b) Re 3E16-1 . I changed this from P2 to P5 and also amended 3E16-2 to start from P5 as an extension of the previous train.


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Sheffield 1983-1984 05/04/2010 at 10:54 #8190
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OK fine. I'm curently going through this timetable & altering stuff as I'm going through it. My main concern at the moment is the 1st Sheffield - Chesterfield service doesn't appear when it should. 5J55 comes off Sheffield HS at 0520 & arrives in P1A at 0522 to form 2J55 0529 Sheffield - Chesterfield. The problem is that t appears about 1 hour later when there are already 3-4 other ECS moves off Sheffield HS to P1B or P1A. I have altered 5M01 to go in P1B as it over hangs P1A, so people playing this timetable need to alter that if they want. Once I go through this timetable & sort out any relevant issues I will re-release it. I deleted 5J55 & 2J55 from the timetable & re-entered them, so I'm hoping it will appear at the correct time. Does anyone have any idea why this problem occurs in the first place? The info in the data seems to be correct yet the train doesn't appear when it should? The Sheffield - Chinley services seem to be behaving themselves, it's just the first 2 Sheffeild - Chesterfield services seem to run out of sequence, which in turn causes problems platforming other trains. Bear with me on this one, I have mentioned it to NoisyNoel, but as yet can't seem to fathom this mystery out. The reason 0E16 was already changed I suspect was when I last saved the timetable I thought I hadn't altered that at the time. My apologies. Thanks for the input.
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Sheffield 1983-1984 05/04/2010 at 10:55 #8191
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Incidentally I'm starting Sheffield 1983-194 today from 0430am, so if anyone is infront of me please let me know of any issues not yet found.
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Sheffield 1983-1984 05/04/2010 at 12:22 #8192
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7E34-2 has got times missing from Chinley East Jn - Grindleford. I have now put them in. Thanks to Christhetube for that one.
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Sheffield 1983-1984 05/04/2010 at 13:05 #8196
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Re 5J55. I looked at the Rules and there is a rule which states that 5J55 must not run if 5J55-1 runs (and vice versa) but 5J55-1 does not get a mention in the timetable list.

Doing a trial run starting at 05:18 with the '5J55 must not run if 5J55-1 runs' rule in force, 5J55 does not enter at 05:20. After deleting that rule, 5J55 will enter at 05:20.

Hope this helps

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Sheffield 1983-1984 05/04/2010 at 13:18 #8199
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When changing the timetable of a sim as various suggestions here, (even using F4 rather than right click -> Edit timetable), the edits seem to last only for the active game. I made the edits then restarted the sim and the timetable has obviously reverted back as the wtt has not been saved. How can I make the edits permanent without waiting for the next release? Do I just save timetable as "xxx updated" and load that next time, perhaps delete previous version.?
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Sheffield 1983-1984 05/04/2010 at 13:30 #8200
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When you exit you should see a box like this



If you want to save the changes click Yes and specify a name and location to where you want to save it to. Bear in mind if you keep the same name it may over-ride the existing one if that is what you want to do.

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Sheffield 1983-1984 05/04/2010 at 14:16 #8203
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SPFish,
The diagram in TT Explanation may help.

I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either.
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Sheffield 1983-1984 05/04/2010 at 14:25 #8204
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Thanks Andy and Flymo, think I understand. Had searched Forum but should also have looked on Wiki as that explains well too. Having a go running through this, but its a tough one solo. If anyone fancies MPing as I cant host I would be happy to join.
Simon

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Sheffield 1983-1984 05/04/2010 at 20:19 #8212
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Pascal, Need some rules putting in for the Light Engines from Tinsley TMD to the Yard. A lot of them seem to run out of sequence with the trains they work ie the train leaves TI yard before the engine for it arrives.
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Sheffield 1983-1984 06/04/2010 at 01:55 #8217
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58050 said:
0E16 needs a change from P2 to P5 & also 3E16-1 from P2 - P5 as 5D71 occupies P2 until the shunt loco comes off Tinsley TMD & collects it.

Currently at 0645:
Strangely I dont seem to have a 5D71 in my timetable, unless I deleted it by mistake, so dont know where it runs. Not sure what to join 0T60 to when it gets to station!
I also have 2J54-B (dep 0733) duplicated in P3A and P4A for some reason. The first 2J54-B arrived into P3A initially from Eccleshill as 2J54 and DR 5D71 though the timetable popup shows it as 5D71-B. 5D71-B is due to come from HS at 0750 to form 2D71-B for an 0800 departure on P1B. As this was going to block the 2J54-B on P3, and in the wrong place, I shunted it to North sidings where it currently remains. However, then 2J54-1 arrived into P4A and also formed 2J54-B to depart at 0733.
Also I have 5J55 just arriving on screen at 0644 to become 2J55 but thinks it is 2J55-1 as detailed by "58050" in post no 11 which I note has been resolved by flymo.
I must admit, the duplication of headcodes is giving me a headache!

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Sheffield 1983-1984 06/04/2010 at 16:47 #8227
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58050 said:
This timetable runs on the 1980s scenario. Freight activities on thsi timetable far outweigh the passenger & parcels traffic & as a result screen 6 is alot busier than in previous timetables.
Just want to say thanks and give credit for that - nice to know that Screen 6 isn't being totally neglected.

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Sheffield 1983-1984 10/04/2010 at 09:20 #8346
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Firstly I'd like to thank all those who have posted issues on this forum. I know NoisyNoel has some 30 issues to work through & I am also working through some myself. This timetable is pretty much a work in progress at the moment. Due to some mis-communication between NoisyNoel & myself I iploaded it in error. We had a discussion at the Peterborough meet & Noel was going to host a multiplayer session & report back to me a review of that multiplayer session. I knew he was going away over Easter & as I didn't hear from him, rightly or wrongly I assumed the mulriplayer session never occurred. As it was Easter & most people being off work I decided to upload it & let people have a bash. Now it would appear that there are a number of issues that need resolving. I'm not in a position this week to do much about it, but by the end of next week things will return to normal. Yes I know that there will be some rules to add in respect of LD off Tinsley TMD before the train leaves the yard. I've certainly got most of them in up to 0700am. Bear in mind this is as far as I have got playing this timetable. The issues with 8Z01 is for Noel as he has added these moves. The detaching & attaching of trains at Sheffield seems to cause problems. I am currently writing a Sheffield 1981-1982 timetable & there are problems with this in that. Whether this is the way I write the information into the timetable I don't know. I apologise if players are find it frustrating that there are quite alot of problems that need sorting out. This isn't done intentionally. Has anyone actually finished this timetable? I would like to know your thoughts on it. 7E34 missing times has been corrected. So can all those who are playing Sheffield 1981-1982 keep posting those issues & we will work through them. To quote a BR quotation from the past:" WE'RE GETTING THERE." Many thanks to all of you for your input.
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Sheffield 1983-1984 10/04/2010 at 10:56 #8348
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Hello 58050
I have worked through this timetable until about 0830. Unfortunately, apart from the logging of the issues previously (#20), I had not been keeping a full track of them as I wasn't aware that the timetable was a work in progress.
In general, there seem to be a fair number of timetable clashes at passing points. Certainly, many of those noted are at Tinsley Yard/TMD, but there are others too. I have been working through with a standard day, so some trains have delays entering etc, though not excessively so; however I am having problems with platforms at Sheffield and keep having to switch things around because of clashes. Probably, one alteration has a knock on effect on the next. The repeated use of the same headcode seems to be causing problems with ACI, and even when headcodes are inserted manually the popup timetable is wrong. Also, I had some difficulty with 5E16, the attaching loco at the rear (0E16) would not attach to the residual coaches. One more thing, two ECS workings from Darnall sidings have appeared, I signalled them to the station and thought they were there, but the train list on F2 showed then each to be stuck at Woodburn Junction.
I hate posting comments like this, as I dont like to be critical of people who make timetables for a simulation in their free time. Largely this is a good sim tt, but there are clearly some tweaks which are needed. I particularly enjoy this era and the traffic on screen 6 is welcomed. For one person, I have had frequent use of the pause button, I have to admit.
I have been tweaking and saving the timetable as I have gone on as I was under the impression there would only be minor changes to make. I think by now though I have changed things at least a dozen times, mostly platform changes etc, but unfortunately I have overwritten each time.
Best of luck with the progress both of you, and I would be happy to help test in an MP game when you are ready.
Simon

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Sheffield 1983-1984 12/04/2010 at 11:05 #8422
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spfish said:
The repeated use of the same headcode seems to be causing problems with ACI, and even when headcodes are inserted manually the popup timetable is wrong.
There's a common feature which I've noticed across most (all?) the sims which can produce the wrong popup timetable in these circumstances.

Say you have two trains in a timetable which share the same first four characters of the ID: 1A01-A and 1A01-B, for example. If 1A01-A is present in the sim, 1A01-B is not present, and you interpose "1A01-B" into a describer berth, clicking on the berth will show you 1A01-A's timetable, not 1A01-B's.

What you're probably finding is that a train is pulling into Sheffield, and the ACI is changing the description as soon as the previous signal is passed and the description steps into the platform berth. As the train trundles across the station throat and into the platform, you click on the new description, to read the timetable of the new service, which isn't yet present as a train in the train list. There is another train, however, which shares the same first four characters, which is present; so you get that train's timetable shown, not the one you want. If you wait for the incoming train to come to a stand in the platform, then click on the description, the right timetable should come up.

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