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Re: Oxted now available! 22/08/2011 at 17:36 #19876
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3629 posts 		surely not an issue with LED/fibre optic repeaters
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Re: Oxted now available! 22/08/2011 at 17:38 #19878
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310 posts 		That's why I said I know it doesn't apply to banner repeaters. But I wonder whether there's some sort of historic link - vertical indications now not being allowed, or something like that. Just speculating.
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Re: Oxted now available! 22/08/2011 at 20:29 #19902
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9 posts 		I also have a question about the sim. On the new timetable, I have encountered 1Q76, which runs from south croydon to uckfield, then hurst green, then to east grinstead and then back to south croydon. On the timetable pop-up, it says DEM 100, I was just wondering, is this train supposed to represent the New Measurement Train, or is it some other kind of departmental working? I would also like to add my gratitude to peter (edit) - Paul for a greatly addictive sim, ad it has pulled me away from my usual running of Edinburgh with ARS.
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Reason: Whoops, thanked the wrong person!
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Re: Oxted now available! 22/08/2011 at 20:32 #19903
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707 posts 		" said:
...I would also like to add my gratitude to peter for a greatly addictive sim, ad it has pulled me away from my usual running of Edinburgh with ARS. Fraser
You should be thanking the Oxted developer, Paul Curran :-P

(NB: Peter re-released the Great Western sims. Geoff released Brighton)
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Re: Oxted now available! 22/08/2011 at 21:01 #19909
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9 posts 		Oops, soory, was half asleep, and still playing Oxted at the time.
Thanks to all developers, for all sims, but especially paul for this one.
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Re: Oxted now available! 22/08/2011 at 21:10 #19914
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989 posts 		" said:
I also have a question about the sim. On the new timetable, I have encountered 1Q76, which runs from south croydon to uckfield, then hurst green, then to east grinstead and then back to south croydon. On the timetable pop-up, it says DEM 100, I was just wondering, is this train supposed to represent the New Measurement Train, or is it some other kind of departmental working? I would also like to add my gratitude to peter (edit) - Paul for a greatly addictive sim, ad it has pulled me away from my usual running of Edinburgh with ARS.
Fraser
1Q76 is an ultrasonic test train
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Re: Oxted now available! 22/08/2011 at 21:51 #19920
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9 posts 		Ah, I see. Thanks for the info.
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Re: Oxted now available! 22/08/2011 at 22:50 #19925
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3629 posts 		i have just uploaded a timetable which is a modification of the default V1.3a timetable designed for use with the uckfield blockade scenario. all trains terminate at crowborough.
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Re: Oxted now available! 22/08/2011 at 22:59 #19926
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9 posts 		I don't see it in the folder
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Re: Oxted now available! 22/08/2011 at 23:02 #19927
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3629 posts 		it wont appear until a moderator checks and authorise it
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Re: Oxted now available! 22/08/2011 at 23:04 #19928
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9 posts 		Oh, ok. I shall look forward to it.
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Re: Oxted now available! 22/08/2011 at 23:37 #19930
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1803 posts 		I was going to suggest it is mentioned that uploads must be approved first before they'll appear..but then I went and checked and saw the following Quote:
Uploads need to be approved: if your upload has not appeared within 7 days contact Peter Bennet (see the Contacts page).
. Still, perhaps worth making that bold?



Moving on;

Can I ask - are the auto buttons on the signals at Hurst Green Jn correct? I ask this question as I've notice with the route set from Signal 21 -> 51 you can't activate the auto but with the route set from Signal 22 -> 20 you can activate the auto. Just had me wondering.
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Re: Oxted now available! 23/08/2011 at 00:05 #19931
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1803 posts 		Just found a bug.

Time is 0729 and the banner repeater on the down platform at Lingfield isn't clearing , even though the signal itself it relates to is showing a proceed aspect. Activated then de-activated the emergency button and it is now showing \ again, but I'm expecting it will 'fail' again after the next train (2L08) passes. Previous train was 5L07.

Have taken a save (see below) and reloaded that as a test but that doesn't clear it - but then as said above I just used the emergency button to clear it.

Haven't noticed if it has an affect on trains (would half expect drivers to react to it by using the emergency brake then calling in to report the problem) but then I've only just spotted it. Will be watching 2L08 and the BR as the time ticks on.

Thanks in advance for any reply/ies about this issue.

[attachment=45]Oxted0729.SSG[/attachment]

Have added this bug to the relevant Wiki page.
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Re: Oxted now available! 23/08/2011 at 00:10 #19932
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3629 posts 		i suspect the repeaters are purely aesthetic and have no effect on the game. i hadnt even noticed this.
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Re: Oxted now available! 23/08/2011 at 00:15 #19933
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1803 posts 		" said:
i suspect the repeaters are purely aesthetic and have no effect on the game. i hadnt even noticed this.
But I thought this was a simulation, not a game. As a simulation, if the banner repeater isn't working correctly then as this is a simulation it should simulate the drivers reaction to it.
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Re: Oxted now available! 23/08/2011 at 00:57 #19935
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205 posts 		It would depend on the developer as to whether the banner repeater is a working version or aesthetic.

Will find out and update the status on here when I know.
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Re: Oxted now available! 23/08/2011 at 08:25 #19940
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1712 posts 		" said:
" said:
Sometimes wonder why they can't just show | for green, \ for yellow (single or double) and - for red..but no doubt some kind of rule or something preventing this?!!
I know it doesn't really apply to banner repeaters, but I wonder whether it's anything to do with the fact that early semaphore signals had a vertical indication which was later withdrawn, because a failed signal could drop to vertical and so it was decided that there shouldn't be any 'passive' aspects like that?

(Surprisingly, the ever-helpful Railsigns.co.uk website doesn't say a great deal about that, but I'm sure I've read that was the reason for abolishing the original vertical signal positions.)

I've also wondered why a vertical banner wasn't adopted in place of the green variety (which, if I understand correctly, is a variant for limited use where circumstances warrant). Perhaps it was felt the standard black/white wasn't quite striking enough for a train at full speed.

Abolition of the original vertical-for-clear indication was as much because the signal arm disappeared into the slotted post as anything; had it remained visible a suitably shaped & weighted spectacle could have been devised to return it to danger (as indeed happened with 2-position lower quadrants).

Vertical-for-clear was reintroduced with (invariably power-operated) upper quadrants, which some British companies copied from US practice in the early years of the 20th century. In this case the arm remained fully visible so the non-failsafe issue (absent signal = clear) didn't arise. But of course it introduced a conflict of indications - inclined upwards meant clear at a 2-position signal but caution at a 3-position - so IRSE recommended that 3-position semaphores not be adopted, but 3-aspect colour lights instead (together with the 4th aspect that has become so familiar). At the time (1924 or so) the LNER had just commissioned the GCR's Marylebone - Neasden scheme, which had the first daylight colour light signals on a UK main line (many of them surviving until Marylebone IECC took over). That scheme was designed by Arthur Bound, who was heavily influenced by US practice. I believe it was a consequence of this American influence that the standard means of representing colour light signal aspects is a horizontal bar in a circle for red, and inclined bar for yellow and vertical for green - which makes the failure to adopt a vertical bar for a banner repeating a green signal all the more inexplicable.
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Re: Oxted now available! 23/08/2011 at 09:37 #19942
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707 posts 		" said:
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i suspect the repeaters are purely aesthetic and have no effect on the game. i hadnt even noticed this.
But I thought this was a simulation, not a game. As a simulation, if the banner repeater isn't working correctly then as this is a simulation it should simulate the drivers reaction to it.
Tim,

Many signallers at computer workstations will see the signal aspects, but will have no indication as to what a Banner Repeater is showing. The first they would know about one behaving incorrectly is a driver phoning up to report it.

Every Banner Repeater I have seen on a signalling panel or workstation has been an icon showing the location of the BR, not an indicator.
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Re: Oxted now available! 23/08/2011 at 15:31 #19962
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683 posts 		I can confirm that although the banner repeators show / or - they are not proper signal types and as such will have no effect on the running of trains. Although of course, Tim, now that you have become aware of the failure you should hold trains at the previous signal to advise them that the banner for OD33 signal may be showing an incorrect aspect, so no need for them to call in ;-) On a serious note when I get a bit of time I will have a look to see if I can ascertain why this banner in particular is starting to play up.

Regarding the auto working at Hurst Green, I will look into this through a work mate, my understanding was that the only auto permitted route was the route to East Grinstead but I will double check and if needed amend in the next release.

Paul
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Re: Oxted now available! 24/08/2011 at 12:57 #20019
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3629 posts 		added some brief info on the cowden accident onto the wiki
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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 00:31 #20131
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1803 posts 		Got to 10:38 and come across another issue.

2L16 arrived at East Grinstead on the booked platform, 1, and began dividing trains. Activities are DR:2L21 and J:2L30. Successfully divided at 10:17 (it arrived 2 early - 10:14 according to the messages timestamp (3 early?!!)). Interposed the headcode at the London-end signal for the the Detach Rear train, 2L21, and waited for TRTS. Got TRTS at 10:36, gave drive the road and train departed OK. As the headcode stepped to the next TD berth (at Signal S34) it stole the headcode (2L16) left at East Grinstead Signal S43 TD berth.

Did some further testing and if anything is interposed at either Signal 41 or Signal 43 TD berths and you cancel the train description at either Signal 40 or Signal 42 TD berths (even without anything interposed there) it'll also cancel whatever is interposed at the TD berths at the other end of that platform.

Am left thinking this is a bug. Have my doubts it could be some kind of unique or rare local arrangement or something.

Thanks in advance for any reply/ies about this issue.
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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 00:35 #20132
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3629 posts 		ive equally noticed this, although i see no problem, this occurs at most terminal berths, with some exceptions, the rear berth is the arrival berth, the oxted end is the departure berth. i interposed 2l16 again after departure and thought no more of it. theres always sticky notes but im not convinced its a bug.
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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 00:42 #20133
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989 posts 		It is not a bug, it works as per the real thing.
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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 00:44 #20134
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3629 posts 		speaking of bugs ive just chanced upon a rather major one. purely by accident. train 3s90 is proceeding from east grinstead to lingfield. i clicked on the ground frame release button by accident without having operated the replacement buttons for both corresponding semi automatic signals. the frame released and 3s90 recieved adverse change of aspect. screenshot attached, save game available if requested
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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 01:11 #20135
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3629 posts 		also to add- when i release the ground frame, the track at crowborough tunnel and sleeches viaduct, flashes tunnel and viaduct, respectively, possibly a graphics issue at my end unless anyone else can confirm?
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