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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 01:46 #20136
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1803 posts 		At 16:21 I got a call from Hempstead Occupation Crossing for something to cross (didn't note what). At the time, I had 1E48 at Uckfield waiting to depart on the 16:33 service to London Bridge. Decided that it was safe and they had plenty of time to cross before 1E48 got there so gave them permission to cross. 1E48 departed from Uckfield on-time at 16:33 yet Hempstead hadn't called back. Hempstead finally called back at 16:39 to report crossing clear and didn't report anything else. Slightly odd behaviour. In-case it has something to do with it, the previous LC call was from Sunt Farm No 1 Crossing at 14:11 for something to cross. At the time of that call I had 2L35 approaching Signal S34 so told the user to cross after next train (2L35). They did so and called back at 14:21 to report crossing was clear again. 1E48 arrived at Buxted 1 early at 16:36.
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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 01:50 #20137
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Online 		i know exactly what it is uktm- if u look on google maps theres plenty of distance between hempstead and uckfield, but the sim doesnt recognise the train has passed and the user wont cross unless its safe to do so ie, after 1Exx has left uckfield for oxted and cleared the track circuit.

i had a similar situation with a train to uckfield, i told them to cross after next train, they didnt cross until it passed greenhurst jcn for oxted
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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 02:29 #20138
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1803 posts 		Surprised there isn't some kind of arrangement at Uckfield like there is at Sudbury as mentioned in paragraph 17 of the report into Sewage Works Lane UWC.

Just come across another issue at around 18:51. Signalled 5E54 from Shunt Signal S306 at Oxted into the bay platform and had 2L89 approaching for Platform 2. Already had the warner route set into Platform 2 (set as an auto) yet the signal didn't pull off as the train approached and I had to cancel and re-set the route.
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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 02:41 #20139
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Surprised there isn't some kind of arrangement at Uckfield like there is at Sudbury as mentioned in paragraph 17 of the report into Sewage Works Lane UWC.
true. PTS says never rely on timetables, so why should a signaller at a crossing
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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 04:06 #20141
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989 posts 		" said:
Surprised there isn't some kind of arrangement at Uckfield like there is at Sudbury as mentioned in paragraph 17 of the report into Sewage Works Lane UWC.

Just come across another issue at around 18:51. Signalled 5E54 from Shunt Signal S306 at Oxted into the bay platform and had 2L89 approaching for Platform 2. Already had the warner route set into Platform 2 (set as an auto) yet the signal didn't pull off as the train approached and I had to cancel and re-set the route.
In theory I'd saythis is correct because signals will not clear to the warner route in Auto. Auto working requires the full overlap.
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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 04:31 #20142
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521 posts 		Quote:

speaking of bugs ive just chanced upon a rather major one. purely by accident. train 3s90 is proceeding from east grinstead to lingfield. i clicked on the ground frame release button by accident without having operated the replacement buttons for both corresponding semi automatic signals. the frame released and 3s90 recieved adverse change of aspect. screenshot attached, save game available if requested
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That's the way emergency ground frames used to operate. The protecting automatic signals often don't have replacement facilities and turning the ground frame release key is what replaces the signal to danger.

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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 13:07 #20157
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Online 		firefly- i agree, but it just seemed unusual on SimSig as no other ground frames do it
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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 15:35 #20169
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Online 		Jc92 - I can't speak for my fellow developers and how they code their ground frames, all of mine are coded the same way where the operation of the ground frame release will return the protecting signals to danger, as there is then no way of proving the points are correctly set for the safe passage of traffic on the main line. It could well be that the other developers achieve the same results in a different way.

UKTM - With a train on the single line you should not be allowing traffic to use the crossing tut tut ;-) as there is then no way to protect said traffic. I may need to look at this further and split the track circuit that Hempstead Crossing sits on into two parts as the train may think it has past over the crossing. Investigations will be carried out into this.

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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 15:50 #20170
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Online 		no problem- i think it depends on wether the release lever on the frame can be released by a key locally in which case it is possible or only through a release from the signal box, which would require them to be protected in the interlocking i think. well aslong as it isnt an error
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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 20:21 #20174
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1803 posts 		" said:
UKTM - With a train on the single line you should not be allowing traffic to use the crossing tut tut ;-) as there is then no way to protect said traffic. I may need to look at this further and split the track circuit that Hempstead Crossing sits on into two parts as the train may think it has past over the crossing. Investigations will be carried out into this.
I blame poor training! :p

Was thinking this might be the case - the occupation of the TC over the crossing means that the [virtual] crossing users are left thinking there is a train actually going across it at the time and so they won't cross until the TC clears. Was also thinking that may need to be done.



Moving on. I'm surprised with the responses to the East Grinstead problem I reported. It doesn't happen on simulations such as KingsX, LivSt, Waterloo. For example on Cross I've had a train (say a 3- or 4-car) depart one of the suburban platforms and when the headcode for that steps forward to the next TD berth any headcode at the buffer-end of the platform doesn't go with it, it stays there, just as the train there does!
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Re: Oxted now available! 26/08/2011 at 20:29 #20175
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Online 		Will have to have a look at the East Grinstead berth stepping next week, have got 3 days off so can sit down and have a look on one of those three days.

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Re: Oxted now available! 27/08/2011 at 12:07 #20192
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1313 posts 		At Uckfield I don't need the interpose button to get an ID into the TD berth. I can just right-click the grey arrow at the end of the track > Interpose to interpose directly into the same TD berth.
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Re: Oxted now available! 27/08/2011 at 12:23 #20195
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At Uckfield I don't need the interpose button to get an ID into the TD berth. I can just right-click the grey arrow at the end of the track > Interpose to interpose directly into the same TD berth.
Don't know if Oxted is any different to other sims, but normally just right-clicking on the berth allows you to do the same.
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Re: Oxted now available! 27/08/2011 at 14:59 #20212
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1313 posts 		The normal way of interposing should be impossible (the manual describes how you should interpose), but it is possible.

Signal 348 at Haywards Heath (entrance to the station on the Up Main) sometimes won't clear after the route has been set.
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Re: Oxted now available! 27/08/2011 at 18:30 #20222
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Online 		Hi Albert, many thanks for bring that to my attention, hopefully in the next release the ability to interpose by right clicking will be removed to bring it into line with the manual. The interpose roundel was a relatively late addition to the sim, prior to this being implemented the only way to interpose an up train was via the right click menu option.

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Re: Oxted now available! 27/08/2011 at 21:07 #20230
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1803 posts 		Noticed the berth thing at Uckfield too but the Interpose button is pretty cool! B)

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Will have to have a look at the East Grinstead berth stepping next week, have got 3 days off so can sit down and have a look on one of those three days.

Paul
Cheers Paul. Great simulation by the way, perfect for one person with enough to do. I hope you're proud of it :). Out of interest - do you sign the Oxted/East Grinstead/Uckfield route? Do you get to drive it, at least sometimes? Did you want to do a simulation for it after briefly thinking about SimSig whilst driving in the area of this simulation?

Also, anyone know where the signalbox actually is?

Thanks in advance for responses.
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Re: Oxted now available! 28/08/2011 at 16:09 #20263
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Online 		next oxted station- its a brick building on the top right side of the station i beleive just above the bay line

http://www.semgonline.com/location/signalboxes/sboxted.html

picture at the bottom
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Re: Oxted now available! 28/08/2011 at 16:30 #20265
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Online 		[attachment]C:\fakepath\oxted SB.bmp[/attachment]
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Re: Oxted now available! 28/08/2011 at 16:31 #20266
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Online 		im trying to upload a aerial pic ive highlighted but the forums having none of it
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Re: Oxted now available! 28/08/2011 at 17:29 #20272
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6282 posts 		" said:
speaking of bugs ive just chanced upon a rather major one. purely by accident. train 3s90 is proceeding from east grinstead to lingfield. i clicked on the ground frame release button by accident without having operated the replacement buttons for both corresponding semi automatic signals. the frame released and 3s90 recieved adverse change of aspect. screenshot attached, save game available if requested
Not all signals have replacement buttons so this is normal (even though in this case it does). [Later] I see FF has confirmed this!

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Just come across another issue at around 18:51. Signalled 5E54 from Shunt Signal S306 at Oxted into the bay platform and had 2L89 approaching for Platform 2. Already had the warner route set into Platform 2 (set as an auto) yet the signal didn't pull off as the train approached and I had to cancel and re-set the route.
In theory I'd saythis is correct because signals will not clear to the warner route in Auto. Auto working requires the full overlap.
No, the auto operation applies to the route set at the time. So if the main route is set then the main route will stay in auto (and never step down to a warner unless the route is cancelled). But if the warner route is set at the time then the warner will step up to a main and step back down again. Liverpool Street has lots of these routes (assuming they worked back then, it was a long time ago ).

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Moving on. I'm surprised with the responses to the East Grinstead problem I reported. It doesn't happen on simulations such as KingsX, LivSt, Waterloo. For example on Cross I've had a train (say a 3- or 4-car) depart one of the suburban platforms and when the headcode for that steps forward to the next TD berth any headcode at the buffer-end of the platform doesn't go with it, it stays there, just as the train there does! :/
You had it easy on earlier sims. Most places (in real life) only had two berths for a bay platform - a "last in" and a "first out". The former never stepped out, only cleared out once the platform was empty. Expect more sims in future to be like this if the real life area does the same.
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Re: Oxted now available! 31/08/2011 at 05:35 #20435
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189 posts 		Hi Paul. Just to echo the good things everyone else has said about the Sim. I hesitate to raise this, because no-one else has and it might be me? At about 0630 in the Sim I have an issue with trains reversing at Sanderstead. Since it is outside Oxted control I have no way of dealing with this. Any comments?
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Re: Oxted now available! 31/08/2011 at 05:49 #20436
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Hi Paul. Just to echo the good things everyone else has said about the Sim. I hesitate to raise this, because no-one else has and it might be me? At about 0630 in the Sim I have an issue with trains reversing at Sanderstead. Since it is outside Oxted control I have no way of dealing with this. Any comments?
As stated elsewhere in the forum.. The TT distributed was the wrong one, go to the downloads page for the correct version. Basically 5P13/2P13 shouldn't be in the TT.
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Re: Oxted now available! 03/09/2011 at 14:42 #20544
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8 posts 		Not sure if I'm doing something wrong, it's a bug or is as a result of a failure...

I had a TCF across the points into East Grinstead so as to make it impossible for trains to get into the station, as a result I've been terminating at Hurst Green or Lingfield, using the ground frame to get back to the up line at Lingfield...

Before the train was ready to depart Lingfield, another TCF occured - between Sunt Farm LC and signal 24. I set the points and released the signal at the ground frame (sig LGF1) and the train began moving, but then 'stopped at red signal LGF2'.

However this signal is not shown on the panel, I assume it is a 'hidden signal' in the rear of signal 24 and is held at red as a result of the TCF, as once I cautioned the train past it, it switched across to the up line and continued as normal.

Is this hidden signal a bug? Or did this occur as a result of the failure/track circuit ahead being occupied, or am I just doing something wrong? :whistle:
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Re: Oxted now available! 03/09/2011 at 19:01 #20556
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Online 		Hi Urban :-)

I can reassure you that it is nothing you have done. You are correct in your reasoning that LGF2 is a hidden signal which has been placed in the sim to allow a train that has restarted on the up at Lingfield to proceed at normal speed once it is clear of the crossover, the fact that the track is occupied is 'correctly' holding that signal at danger. At the current time the only thing you can do is what you have done and authorise the trains past at danger.

I will be investigating other ways of working this scenerio at Lingfield. Many thanks for bringing this to light and I have placed it on our bug board.

UKTM - The closest I come to driving over this patch is crossing it on the two bridges mentioned in the manual.

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Re: Oxted now available! 03/09/2011 at 19:19 #20557
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390 posts 		Cracking sim Paul, top work
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