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Hove yard won't accept train 30/03/2014 at 08:33 #58014
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Yep that will be the one :-)
Reading that thread, would it be fair to say that it works similarly to the Victoria Central-Wimbledon fringe?

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Hove yard won't accept train 30/03/2014 at 09:42 #58015
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Not played the Victoria sim so I wouldn't know, but we have plenty of ex vic signallers at our place so I'll ask them if the two worked in the same way.
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Hove yard won't accept train 31/03/2014 at 13:12 #58069
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Reading that thread, would it be fair to say that it works similarly to the Victoria Central-Wimbledon fringe?
The wonders of half-routes over two different boxes. The VC-WIM boundary at Wimbledon West Junction and the VC-VS boundary outside Victoria Station both have routes set where each panel set half of the route. There are requests to send to the next box for when this needs to occur. When the points actually move varies based on other interlocking arrangements.

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Hove yard won't accept train 03/04/2014 at 10:14 #58295
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Further to my speculative Clapham A jargon, how about this (drawn from the 'signature' of a former signalman in the South Wales valleys); the context would've been signalmen nattering on the phone and (highly illegally) passing block messages on the phone rather than using the bells.

"Take a Pony & Trap up the back road, can't go up the Main 'cos he's hanging the pot on,
and Peg Up for a 1-4-4-3 on the main, he's got a full digger on, and needs the back board,
I'm out to get two meat pies from The Junction."

(With acknowledgements to user kevinrichards posting on the Blower.)

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Hove yard won't accept train 03/04/2014 at 20:55 #58331
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Could we have a translation please?
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Hove yard won't accept train 03/04/2014 at 23:13 #58343
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At a guess (and I don't know the boxes / locations involved) I would say something along these lines. (Pun intended )

Are you able to accept under block regulation 4 an engine and brakevan (pony & trap) on a line that goes around the back of the signalbox (back road) as there is currently a train on the mainline who is taking water (hanging the pot on) or appears to be taking water, and give me a line clear for a unknown class of train (Peg up for a 1-4-4-3) on the other main line as he is (not sure of the digger bit) and will need the distant signal cleared for him (Needs the back board). I'm going to get lunch from the local hotel / yeast serving premises.

Paul

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Hove yard won't accept train 04/04/2014 at 00:10 #58349
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" said:
At a guess (and I don't know the boxes / locations involved) I would say something along these lines. (Pun intended )

Are you able to accept under block regulation 4 an engine and brakevan (pony & trap) on a line that goes around the back of the signalbox (back road) as there is currently a train on the mainline who is taking water (hanging the pot on) or appears to be taking water, and give me a line clear for a unknown class of train (Peg up for a 1-4-4-3) on the other main line as he is (not sure of the digger bit) and will need the distant signal cleared for him (Needs the back board). I'm going to get lunch from the local hotel / yeast serving premises.

Paul
Adrian Vaughan uses "hanging the pot on" when he is discussing a loco/train which is not being worked with all due vigour and may be taking a long time to carry out something like a shunt move rather than one standing to take water. I would guess that "full digger" is the converse so the signaller is trying to assist the crew by giving them a clear road.

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Hove yard won't accept train 04/04/2014 at 00:14 #58351
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Unless it's the tea-pot of course?
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Hove yard won't accept train 04/04/2014 at 00:36 #58355
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I'd suspect a 1-4-4-3 is a 1-4 (slow freight) with routing suffix 4-3. For "full digger", I'd either go with meaning "going like the clappers and is getting close to the distant already" or possibly "he's got a heavy load behind him and would have trouble getting back up to speed if the caught the distant".

Essentially, "Take an E&BV with an unmotivated crew up the back road to clear the main for a through train who needs a clear run" would be my interpretation.

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Hove yard won't accept train 04/04/2014 at 09:04 #58363
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I'd suspect a 1-4-4-3 is a 1-4 (slow freight) with routing suffix 4-3. For "full digger", I'd either go with meaning "going like the clappers and is getting close to the distant already" or possibly "he's got a heavy load behind him and would have trouble getting back up to speed if the caught the distant".

Essentially, "Take an E&BV with an unmotivated crew up the back road to clear the main for a through train who needs a clear run" would be my interpretation.

I don't know the area so, like Josie, I'm not exactly certain what's being said. Most of the efforts feel about right, but my own thoughts were:
'Pony and trap' = engine and brake.
'up the back road' = on the up relief ('back road' being the local name for it).
'hanging the pot on' = the engine and brake being rather dilatory (late back = overtime?)
'1-4-4-3' is two bits of code as Danny says; 1-4 is a class 9 (unfitted freight, probably a coal haul), 4-3 is the routing code and the thread I referred to on the Blower indicates that 4-3 in the up direction is a train for the Aberdare branch. The request is to accept him under Reg 4, like the E&B, but on the up main. Although the words don't specify that it is an up train, the fact that it's run on from asking the road for an up road E&B suggests this.
'full digger' is new to me but my guess would be a heavy load ('full digger on'rather than going well.
'back board' is a common term for a distant; gradients in the Valleys were fierce so a long, heavy unbraked train that's checked would be faced both with having to start braking without knocking the guard about and then with picking up the load - again without knocking the guard over - and accelerating upgrade.
One suspects the 'meat pies' might have been in glass containers, but if this conversation was being had on the omnibus phone one never knew quite who might be listening...

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