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1991 timetable 05/05/2019 at 13:33 #118098
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58050 said:
Thanks for the this Neil. Firstly looking at the MGR coal plan I can confirm that 6k91 0951 TWThO MGR Eggborough Power Station - Sudforth Lane is the last workings of that set & shows arriving at Sudforth Lane at 1002, it shows 'DETACH ETIES, LD' & the loco returns to Knottingley TMD. What I am tempyed to say & it's no disrespect to you as I know you are a railwayman, but I don't recall ever having this problem when Kev & I tested the timetable & to back that up some of the users on this thread have also confirmed they have run through the full 24 hours & have not mentioned the fact that they have run out of room at Sudforth Lane. So I'm wondering whether you ended up placing a set in Sudforth Lane that shouldn't be there?
No offence taken :)

I may be a real-life train driver, but that doesn't stop me being a rubbish pretend signaller! But as you asked, the two other empty sets sitting in Sudforth Sidings are:

6K94FSX1738, arrived 17:55 as booked (17:35 Selby Discharge to Sudforth. Joins 0K86 to form 6K86FSX2155 - 21:55 Sudforth to York Yard North)
6K83FSX1855, arrived 19:15 as booked (18:55 Selby Discharge to Sudforth. Joins 0K82 to form 6K822209 - 22:09 Sudforth to Selby New Mine)

So both other sets of empties should be sitting there at 19:43 (my current sim time) - it's 6K91MFX0951 that's messed things up. If it should indeed arrive at around 10:00 and just sit there for the rest of the day then this is one of those "too much coal and not enough sidings" situations that we're going to have to manage at 19:45.

As a short-term solution I'm going to create a new 56 to come light loco out of Knottingley to take it up to Milford just to get it out of the way. I've got three through sidings and four dead ends available. Then I won't have to sit 6K861941 at Knottingley South until 6K86FSX2155 departs at 21:55.

58050 said:
If however you are 100% certain that everything went where it should I'm going to be running a Wednesday test session starting fromn 04.00am snapshot another user has post so I can work out where to put a missing train that someone pointed out.
Once I've finished this TT I was thinking of running Wednesday again to see if I can spot anything myself.

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1991 timetable 05/05/2019 at 14:57 #118099
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I'm just wondering if anybody knows what the return working of 7H06 is from Drax as I can't see a 6H06 or anything similar. Sorry if it's already been asked. I'm running the Tuesday TT.

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1991 timetable 05/05/2019 at 15:28 #118100
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bossman in post 118099 said:
I'm just wondering if anybody knows what the return working of 7H06 is from Drax as I can't see a 6H06 or anything similar. Sorry if it's already been asked. I'm running the Tuesday TT.

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I'm just about to start a Wednesday run through now. With regards to the irst missing train 6K83 which should enter from Drax Power Station at 03.37 now runs into the Milford Down Sdgs as that train as no further work & the loco comes out from there back to Knottingley TMD at 04.37. That means the trains going in & out of Milford WS don't need to be re-written. With regards to your 7H06 train going in you need to bear in mind MGR set don't always return from wence they came. That set could return to any number of places like Gascoigne Wood, Milford WS, York Yard North or even Doncaster Down Decoy. If you look in the F4 you 'll see a train 6Y63 14.17 MX MGR Gascoigne Wood - Immingham Coal Terminal. That could be the empty set going to Immingham to load & return as 7H06. MGR sets work totally different to other traffic flows which use tank wagons or Aggregate hoppers. MGR sets are not tied to one train as they can literally be sent anywhere(Colliery or Port) to load & return to the Power Station, so don't cos 7H06 from Immingham has gone in another empty set will come for Immingham. Doesn't always work that way. The empties off 7H06 would go back to Gascoigne Wood to load or Milford WS/Sudforth Lane to wait for there next orders. But thanks for asking.

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1991 timetable 05/05/2019 at 15:46 #118104
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58050 in post 117624 said:
Muzer in post 117622 said:
Is it expected that 6K91 terminates with no engine at Sudforth Lane sidings? It's a Tuesday.

Looking at the MGR coal plan 6K910442 TO MGR Ferrybridge- - Sudforth Lane arr.04.54 shows detach empties & LD to Knottingley TMD. The loco departs Sudforth Lane at 05.10 & arrives at Knottingley TMD at 05.14.
Another loco comes off Knottingley TMD as 0K91 05.56 TWThO to Sudforth Lane & attaches to either that set of empties or another set there to form 6K91 06.26 MGR Sudforth Lane - York Yard North. I'd be very surprised if Kev & I missed something as we both extensively tested this timetable throughout each day of the week well before the advent of the alpha & beta tester teams. What you need to realise with MGR workings is that any set at either Sudforth Lane or Milford WS could be used for any MGR working as they are all 36 MGR wagon sets apart from the circuits working to Welbeck Disposal which are restricted to 32 MGR wagon sets due to coal slag weighing heavier than the coal sent to the power stations. So when allocating a set to its next working it doesn't necessarily follow that the specific set you are quierying has a next working.
is it possible to shunt it into the recessing siding and berth it there? plenty of room assuming nothing else is booked out that day?

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1991 timetable 05/05/2019 at 18:22 #118108
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I see 0K80MSX (0403 MSX LD Knottingley TMD - Milford Sidings 2-4) booked to reverse at Milford (sig. M5248); this should probably be M5252 (M5248 is past the loop on the down Normanton line towards York). (TT version 1.3.0, Today is FRIDAY.)

This is the first train of the day to go to Milford Down Sidings and I misread the TT.

I will say I'm enjoying this a great deal and I appreciate the effort and detail that's gone into producing this!

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1991 timetable 05/05/2019 at 19:07 #118111
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Just found two small bugs in the TT.

The first is 4M77 - 1400 SX COY Bathgate TC - Washwood Heath Up Sdgs (FDAA TI Cl.47/3+16 empty PLA 2 tier cartics). It enters the sim with headcode "2036", which I assume found its way into that box because the train's entry time was mistakenly put there instead.

Secondly, when in the F4 -> Train Characteristics -> Train Category drop-down list, one of the entries reads "Cl.56+36 empty MGR wagns" (a small typo).

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1991 timetable 05/05/2019 at 21:00 #118116
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lazzer in post 118111 said:
Just found two small bugs in the TT.

The first is 4M77 - 1400 SX COY Bathgate TC - Washwood Heath Up Sdgs (FDAA TI Cl.47/3+16 empty PLA 2 tier cartics). It enters the sim with headcode "2036", which I assume found its way into that box because the train's entry time was mistakenly put there instead.

Secondly, when in the F4 -> Train Characteristics -> Train Category drop-down list, one of the entries reads "Cl.56+36 empty MGR wagns" (a small typo).
Thanks for that Neil they have both been corrected.

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1991 timetable 06/05/2019 at 13:32 #118123
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I've sent the updated TT version of to Noel so it can be sent out with the sim updates at some point in the not too distant future. I've also made a couple of routing alterations to 6K78 0918 SX MGR Milford WS - Allerton Bywater(aka Leadston) & 6K91 1445 SX MGR Milford WS - Allerton Bywater. Both of these trains run direct from Milfor Jn to Castleford & reverse at CD5211 signal & propel down the Leadstone branch with the brake van leading as there are no run round facilities at the colliery. So when the new TT is released user will need to remember this.
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1991 timetable 15/10/2019 at 20:58 #121065
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Phil-jmw in post 118071 said:
2G60 0830 Doncaster - Holbeck Track Recording Unit, when returning from Monk Bretton towards Crofton East Spur, calls up from WK6823 Sig Oakenshaw South Jn and queries the route to Crofton East.
Anyone know if there's a way around this bug? I've been playing this brilliant sim for weeks now and have managed to get this far without any errors (other than timing) - I'd like to carry on without being told I've set the wrong route. Is there a way up that side spur?

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1991 timetable 15/10/2019 at 23:06 #121069
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Ford in post 121065 said:
Phil-jmw in post 118071 said:
2G60 0830 Doncaster - Holbeck Track Recording Unit, when returning from Monk Bretton towards Crofton East Spur, calls up from WK6823 Sig Oakenshaw South Jn and queries the route to Crofton East.
Anyone know if there's a way around this bug? I've been playing this brilliant sim for weeks now and have managed to get this far without any errors (other than timing) - I'd like to carry on without being told I've set the wrong route. Is there a way up that side spur?

Thanks
I can't reproduce this in build 2.3 of the sim. I believe this bug was fixed with this release. Could you please check you are running the latest version?

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