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Chester FAQ 01/04/2022 at 18:28 #145988
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Thanks, I'll get something logged for investigation, the timing point probably wants to be disabled as it's not used in real life and isn't required in the sim.
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Chester FAQ 15/04/2022 at 12:01 #146149
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Hi,

The attached TT gives a validation warning: Reverses at Chester South Junction but has "passing time" ticked when I don't think it should.

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Chester FAQ 15/04/2022 at 12:11 #146150
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Mantis 36032 to investigate. While it will generate a warning I don't think it will affect the train running.
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Chester FAQ 15/04/2022 at 17:13 #146155
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Thanks Karl,

I am also trying to timetable an ECS move from Helsby P4 towards Mickle Trafford via P2.

I can set routes HY38 (P4) - HY36 (rev HY13), HY13 - HY15 (P2 back-end position), and HY16 - HY4. But the route HY15 to HY16 says "no route available". Is this correct?

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Chester FAQ 15/04/2022 at 17:19 #146156
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9pN1SEAp in post 146155 said:
Thanks Karl,

I am also trying to timetable an ECS move from Helsby P4 towards Mickle Trafford via P2.

I can set routes HY38 (P4) - HY36 (rev HY13), HY13 - HY15 (P2 back-end position), and HY16 - HY4. But the route HY15 to HY16 says "no route available". Is this correct?

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Routes up to HY16, need the forward route set and HY16 showing off in order to set.

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Chester FAQ 15/04/2022 at 18:55 #146158
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headshot119 in post 146156 said:
Routes up to HY16, need the forward route set and HY16 showing off in order to set.
Silly me, I had tried it whilst paused so HY16 hadn't proved. Thanks!

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Chester FAQ 15/04/2022 at 20:29 #146160
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Hi,

One last thing for now, it might be worth clarifying in the manual that trains timetabled to set down or have activities at Chester UDG need the UDG TIPLOC in their timetable.
Using CHST platform code UDG will result in a wrong route call.

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Chester FAQ 15/04/2022 at 20:47 #146161
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9pN1SEAp in post 146160 said:
Hi,

One last thing for now, it might be worth clarifying in the manual that trains timetabled to set down or have activities at Chester UDG need the UDG TIPLOC in their timetable.
Using CHST platform code UDG will result in a wrong route call.

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If you wish to use the Chester location and have a train stop on a through line (The Up & Down Goods, or the Up & Down Main in the Up direction entirely, or the Up & Down Main in the Down direction between CR83 > CR89) you would need to have through line stop ticked in the timetable.

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Chester FAQ 01/05/2022 at 16:09 #146329
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Hi,

With the Wrexham single set in Up direction (CR497-CN944), an attempt to grant 485 slot gives the rather curt message "Cannot give", in the messages window. Should this say "Cannot give slot"?

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Chester FAQ 10/05/2022 at 19:39 #146434
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Hi,

For ECS trains with a class 5 TRN, they have been happily accepting Chester platform UDG as a passing location (as well as a stopping point if thru line stop).

However 3D80 from Crewe, which was timetabled to pass Chester platform DTL, gave a wrong route call "not allowed on goods lines" when sent via UDG as the DTL was occupied.

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Chester FAQ 10/05/2022 at 19:43 #146435
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9pN1SEAp in post 146434 said:
Hi,

For ECS trains with a class 5 TRN, they have been happily accepting Chester platform UDG as a passing location (as well as a stopping point if thru line stop).

However 3D80 from Crewe, which was timetabled to pass Chester platform DTL, gave a wrong route call "not allowed on goods lines" when sent via UDG as the DTL was occupied.

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You need to adjust either your class of service rules, or tick can use goods lines I think, this isn't specific to Chester, and one of the timetable writers can probably give a bit more information.

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Chester FAQ 11/05/2022 at 08:03 #146442
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I already mentioned some time ago that the current default class of service rules seem to be set up the wrong way around for Class 3 trains.

Basically the current setup means that loco-hauled class 3 trains (without any particular speed classes set) are mostly classified as ECS workings (when I'd say that a loco-hauled class 3 is more likely a parcels train in a 90s-or-earlier timetable), whereas trains with one of the various passenger trains speed classes (EMU/DMU/HST/SP/EPS/etc.) are currently classified as Passenger workings (when in fact they're more likely a priority ECS working in a modern-ish timetable).

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Chester FAQ 13/06/2022 at 16:34 #146796
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A bit esoteric, but the Down Goods on the Birkenhead route should be available for run-round manoeuvres and or push-backs to reverse direction. I don't think those routes have been provided for (or at least I can't figure them out).

To be precise:
1) Train from Saltney round the curve to Birkenhead Down Goods; loco uncouple and forward to clear 558 signal. Loco runs back via 555 and onto the fork, then reverses and rejoins the train.
2) Train from Saltney to the Birkenhead Down Goods. Then reverse round the curve toward Roodee Jn. Finally move ahead again to Chester station. This manoeuvre was reasonably often in years past for WCML passenger trains diverted via Chester on Sundays. Yes, a 12 coach train plus loco reversing round the chord....
3) Train from Saltney to the Birkenhead Down Goods. Then reverse to Chester station. Back forward and onward to Saltney, taking a different route from that on which the train arrived.

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Chester FAQ 15/06/2022 at 22:35 #146827
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whatlep in post 146796 said:
A bit esoteric, but the Down Goods on the Birkenhead route should be available for run-round manoeuvres and or push-backs to reverse direction. I don't think those routes have been provided for (or at least I can't figure them out).

To be precise:
1) Train from Saltney round the curve to Birkenhead Down Goods; loco uncouple and forward to clear 558 signal. Loco runs back via 555 and onto the fork, then reverses and rejoins the train.
2) Train from Saltney to the Birkenhead Down Goods. Then reverse round the curve toward Roodee Jn. Finally move ahead again to Chester station. This manoeuvre was reasonably often in years past for WCML passenger trains diverted via Chester on Sundays. Yes, a 12 coach train plus loco reversing round the chord....
3) Train from Saltney to the Birkenhead Down Goods. Then reverse to Chester station. Back forward and onward to Saltney, taking a different route from that on which the train arrived.

Help and guidance gratefully received.
Hi Peter, sorry the delayed reply I was away while you posted this, and I couldn't decipher earlier what on earth the note on my to do list "Chester triangle" was supposed to mean.

1) Looks like I need to add a reversing point at 558 signal for you to use. Mantis 36183

2) Saltney Junction / Chester South Junction / Bache Down Goods / Chester South Junction / Roodee Junction / Chester South Junction / Chester [This won't work in 1.2 but has been fixed in 1.2.1 undergoing testing Mantis 36032 being the relevant ticket]

3) Saltney Junction / Chester South Junction / Bache Down Goods / Chester North Junction / Chester / Chester South Junction / Saltney Junction [This works in 1.2]

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Chester FAQ 17/06/2022 at 01:47 #146852
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Many thanks for the reply. Action 3 confirmed working as intended using the Bache Down Goods location.

Action 2 should of course have read not starting from Saltney, but rather from Crewe or Acton Grange Jn. You clearly saw through my cut/paste fog anyway!

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Chester FAQ 23/06/2022 at 00:45 #146925
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Hi Peter, sorry the delayed reply I was away while you posted this, and I couldn't decipher earlier what on earth the note on my to do list "Chester triangle" was supposed to mean.

1) Looks like I need to add a reversing point at 558 signal for you to use. Mantis 36183

2) Saltney Junction / Chester South Junction / Bache Down Goods / Chester South Junction / Roodee Junction / Chester South Junction / Chester [This won't work in 1.2 but has been fixed in 1.2.1 undergoing testing Mantis 36032 being the relevant ticket]

3) Saltney Junction / Chester South Junction / Bache Down Goods / Chester North Junction / Chester / Chester South Junction / Saltney Junction [This works in 1.2][/quote]

Item 1 noted fixed in the new version 1.3 now available. Item 3 already working. Item 2 possibly also fixed?

Thank you!

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