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Crewe FAQ 14/06/2023 at 20:08 #152172
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Steamer in post 152170 said:
What 'Scale of problems' option was selected? If you pick the higher difficulty options, you don't get TDs interposed at sidings.
Missed looking at that. It's set <Layout>PROBMEDIUM</Layout>. So that will explain that.

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Crewe FAQ 15/06/2023 at 16:16 #152177
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Hap in post 152169 said:
I've ran through your save until about 0330 where several trains were booked to come in from the mentioned locations. I can confirm on your provided .SSG that the berths don't populate when the relevant train enters.

What I am having an issue with though, is that when I ran my own fresh start (3 times) with the same settings, I could not reproduce this behaviour at all.

Is there any other relevant information you could provide such as the game being chained, any settings that could have been changed during the game?
It's chained to Warrington PSB and Chester, from fresh, post update.

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Crewe FAQ 15/06/2023 at 17:05 #152180
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Steamer in post 152170 said:
What 'Scale of problems' option was selected? If you pick the higher difficulty options, you don't get TDs interposed at sidings.
Ohhhh. I don't remember, that must be the reason.

Can this be put into the manuals??

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Crewe FAQ 17/06/2023 at 16:01 #152208
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Guts in post 152180 said:
Steamer in post 152170 said:
What 'Scale of problems' option was selected? If you pick the higher difficulty options, you don't get TDs interposed at sidings.
Ohhhh. I don't remember, that must be the reason.

Can this be put into the manuals??
Now added in the 'TD stepping' section of the 'Features' page.

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Crewe FAQ 17/06/2023 at 22:03 #152209
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Both the labels for the IL between Salop and SSN and vice versa show DN F/S Ind. There's no UP label
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Crewe FAQ 17/06/2023 at 22:10 #152210
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RobJ in post 152209 said:
Both the labels for the IL between Salop and SSN and vice versa show DN F/S Ind. There's no UP label
Already posted on previous page of this thread - Mantis 38841

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Crewe FAQ 19/06/2023 at 18:05 #152221
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Not sure if this is a bug or a sim limitation due to the way the Crewe platforms work, but I'm having a stab at creating a TT. As part of this I ran a long class 4 intermodal through platform 6 (full length) for a crew change. The train stopped at CE122 but didn't perform the change. Once signalled out towards the Up Fast, it moved over the various crossovers, blocking them, before stopping to perform the crew change with the loco theoretically way off the platform but with the rear of the train accommodated. Presumably this is due to the coding of standard stopping patterns - do I need to set a 'far end' stopping position for moves like this, or is it a bug?

Also, in the other direction, if a train is signalled full length to CE151 no TRTS operates?

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Crewe FAQ 19/06/2023 at 22:20 #152222
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Splodge in post 152221 said:
Not sure if this is a bug or a sim limitation due to the way the Crewe platforms work, but I'm having a stab at creating a TT. As part of this I ran a long class 4 intermodal through platform 6 (full length) for a crew change. The train stopped at CE122 but didn't perform the change. Once signalled out towards the Up Fast, it moved over the various crossovers, blocking them, before stopping to perform the crew change with the loco theoretically way off the platform but with the rear of the train accommodated. Presumably this is due to the coding of standard stopping patterns - do I need to set a 'far end' stopping position for moves like this, or is it a bug?

Also, in the other direction, if a train is signalled full length to CE151 no TRTS operates?
Not saying this is going to fully answer you here, however.

Platform 6 is by default a near end stop position when traveling in the Up Direction, so in this case, yes, you'll need to select a Far End stop. This is the exception with platform stopping positions due to the point work in the middle of the platform.

TRTS, having looked on Flickr, I'll agree that there should be a third TRTS indicator on the platform. Mantis 38864 applies (Which I've added while writing this post)

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Crewe FAQ 20/06/2023 at 10:40 #152223
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HST125Scorton in post 152148 said:
Would be possible to add location CSSN Sig NH10/12 to the timetable editor?, so to allow for Crew Changes etc. As mentioned above? Or it there a location for the Up Trains at Bas Hall?.
CSSN Sig NH10/12 I just noted it's under Mantis but nothing suggesting it's been added? I have a stack of trains that use that location over 6 timetables but have to use other locations within the yard.

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Crewe FAQ 20/06/2023 at 11:02 #152224
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HST125Scorton in post 152223 said:
HST125Scorton in post 152148 said:
Would be possible to add location CSSN Sig NH10/12 to the timetable editor?, so to allow for Crew Changes etc. As mentioned above? Or it there a location for the Up Trains at Bas Hall?.
CSSN Sig NH10/12 I just noted it's under Mantis but nothing suggesting it's been added? I have a stack of trains that use that location over 6 timetables but have to use other locations within the yard.
There's nothing to suggest that it's been added as there hasn't been a sim update since it was logged on Mantis by myself when you enquired about it on 13/06.

As it stands, it's on Mantis for consideration. Mantis 38842 still applies.

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Crewe FAQ 20/06/2023 at 11:06 #152225
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Hap in post 152224 said:
HST125Scorton in post 152223 said:
HST125Scorton in post 152148 said:
Would be possible to add location CSSN Sig NH10/12 to the timetable editor?, so to allow for Crew Changes etc. As mentioned above? Or it there a location for the Up Trains at Bas Hall?.
CSSN Sig NH10/12 I just noted it's under Mantis but nothing suggesting it's been added? I have a stack of trains that use that location over 6 timetables but have to use other locations within the yard.
There's nothing to suggest that it's been added as there hasn't been a sim update since it was logged on Mantis by myself when you enquired about it on 13/06.

As it stands, it's on Mantis for consideration. Mantis 38842 still applies.

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Thank you Craig, Sorry I've had couple of bad days and forgot where I was upto on this consideration.

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Crewe FAQ 20/06/2023 at 17:23 #152226
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Just a quick one - which sound effect/message applies to the 'Is Line Clear', 'Line Clear Received' and 'Train out of Section request' messages?
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Crewe FAQ 20/06/2023 at 17:32 #152227
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Aside from the fringe AB messages which come up in blue which are general simulation messages, all the rest are slot messages.
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Crewe FAQ 25/06/2023 at 13:01 #152255
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6F31 in the supplied TT ignores the Potteries Loop timing point despite being held at CE119, the TT simply updates to Crewe as it waits so I don't get the chance to tell the train to wait time.

Also, I'm playing the 'Low' failures scenario but seem to be getting a disproportionate amount of failures in the Winsford panel area - 5 of the seven so far, the remaining two being in Coal Yard but on the Winsford boundary, the second of which occurred immediately after the first was repaired, on the same track section (TWD790)

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Crewe FAQ 25/06/2023 at 21:27 #152259
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In the same playthrough, using the 2015 appropriate era, I've set a route from the DFL at CE153 to CY52 on the slow line. CE153 ha cleared to a single yellow, and CE103 in the rear is flashing single yellow. However the previous signal CE107 is showing a solid double yellow indication
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Crewe FAQ 26/06/2023 at 21:22 #152267
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Splodge in post 152255 said:
6F31 in the supplied TT ignores the Potteries Loop timing point despite being held at CE119, the TT simply updates to Crewe as it waits so I don't get the chance to tell the train to wait time.
Good spot, Mantis 38993 applies.

Splodge in post 152255 said:
Also, I'm playing the 'Low' failures scenario but seem to be getting a disproportionate amount of failures in the Winsford panel area - 5 of the seven so far, the remaining two being in Coal Yard but on the Winsford boundary, the second of which occurred immediately after the first was repaired, on the same track section (TWD790)
It's not possible to change the failures based on area of the sim to balance things more. There are also quite a few combined track circuits in the Winsford area which may lead to getting more than what you would expect.

Splodge in post 152259 said:
In the same playthrough, using the 2015 appropriate era, I've set a route from the DFL at CE153 to CY52 on the slow line. CE153 ha cleared to a single yellow, and CE103 in the rear is flashing single yellow. However the previous signal CE107 is showing a solid double yellow indication
This is correct behaviour, The sequence is Y, FY, YY because of Signal 103 also having a flashing aspect for the route onto the Up Fast. This was a latter change, as the info I have makes a clear, but undated note, that the Flashing YY on CE103 is strapped out.

For investigation, Mantis 38934, to look at why the route onto the Up Fast only has a flashing yellow approach sequence in the oldest era (Not suggesting there's an issue here, just uncertainty).

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Crewe FAQ 22/07/2023 at 18:41 #152418
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I have a couple of trains that need Run Rounds at Alsager Goods Loop unfortunately I can't seem to get a validation on the LE move. It seems to be missing location CE524 [Alsager Station GPL]. Could this location be added within the location please Modern Era 2016-2023. Too add I placed Alsager in the timetable and that also gives an invalid timetable error.

Alsager Goods Loop
Alsager CE524 or Alsager Station
Alsager CE521
Alsager Goods Loop

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Crewe FAQ 22/07/2023 at 20:02 #152422
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HST125Scorton in post 152418 said:
I have a couple of trains that need Run Rounds at Alsager Goods Loop unfortunately I can't seem to get a validation on the LE move. It seems to be missing location CE524 [Alsager Station GPL]. Could this location be added within the location please Modern Era 2016-2023. Too add I placed Alsager in the timetable and that also gives an invalid timetable error.

Alsager Goods Loop
Alsager CE524 or Alsager Station
Alsager CE521
Alsager Goods Loop
I'll agree there is an issue here. I'll log a ticket later. the correct locations are Alsager Goods Loop, Alsager Station, Alsager CE521, Alsager Goods Loop. I see the other way validates, so I've just missed something this way.

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Crewe FAQ 26/07/2023 at 10:32 #152448
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Splodge in post 152255 said:
6F31 in the supplied TT ignores the Potteries Loop timing point despite being held at CE119, the TT simply updates to Crewe as it waits so I don't get the chance to tell the train to wait time.
In a similar vein the same seems to happen with services booked to wait in the Up Manchester Loop, the TT steps right to Crewe as the train waits at CE152

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Crewe FAQ 26/07/2023 at 15:39 #152451
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Do phone calls need to be made to the station supervisor for terminating trains?
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Crewe FAQ 26/07/2023 at 17:17 #152453
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Splodge in post 152448 said:
Splodge in post 152255 said:
6F31 in the supplied TT ignores the Potteries Loop timing point despite being held at CE119, the TT simply updates to Crewe as it waits so I don't get the chance to tell the train to wait time.
In a similar vein the same seems to happen with services booked to wait in the Up Manchester Loop, the TT steps right to Crewe as the train waits at CE152
Got the same issue here myself train doesn't seem to recognise its in the loop but states its waiting at CE152.

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Crewe FAQ 26/07/2023 at 21:36 #152457
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Splodge in post 152448 said:
Splodge in post 152255 said:
6F31 in the supplied TT ignores the Potteries Loop timing point despite being held at CE119, the TT simply updates to Crewe as it waits so I don't get the chance to tell the train to wait time.
In a similar vein the same seems to happen with services booked to wait in the Up Manchester Loop, the TT steps right to Crewe as the train waits at CE152
As far as I can tell, this relates to core code, and any location spreading across multiple track circuits will be affected in the same way. Mantis 38958 applies

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Do phone calls need to be made to the station supervisor for terminating trains?
I believe that the time penalties still apply, but would apply from the time you make the call (I think most dwell times are longer than 10 mins). The big change would be that you wouldn't get the penalty for incorrect platform usage.

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Crewe FAQ 26/07/2023 at 23:09 #152460
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pedroathome in post 152457 said:
Splodge in post 152448 said:
Splodge in post 152255 said:
6F31 in the supplied TT ignores the Potteries Loop timing point despite being held at CE119, the TT simply updates to Crewe as it waits so I don't get the chance to tell the train to wait time.
In a similar vein the same seems to happen with services booked to wait in the Up Manchester Loop, the TT steps right to Crewe as the train waits at CE152
As far as I can tell, this relates to core code, and any location spreading across multiple track circuits will be affected in the same way. Mantis 38958 applies

Class 92 in post 152451 said:
Do phone calls need to be made to the station supervisor for terminating trains?
I believe that the time penalties still apply, but would apply from the time you make the call (I think most dwell times are longer than 10 mins). The big change would be that you wouldn't get the penalty for incorrect platform usage.

James
Had an ECS come out of the carriage shed and sit in P11 for a short while (Was meant to be P12) left ECS but still had the delay due to platform alteration.


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Crewe FAQ 31/07/2023 at 12:13 #152542
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Finished the default timetable. Huge amount of work gone into this and it shows. Crying out for an early 80s maniac timetable chuckle, you get the feel of a lot of real-life stuff there that isnt heavily used any more

That said By comparison Manchester Picc and approach is crazy busy and at the outer limit of what is achievable by 1 perso with ARS off, so swings and roundabouts.

Well done the devs and all who put work in

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Crewe FAQ 31/07/2023 at 14:27 #152544
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slatteryc in post 152542 said:
Finished the default timetable. Huge amount of work gone into this and it shows. Crying out for an early 80s maniac timetable chuckle, you get the feel of a lot of real-life stuff there that isnt heavily used any more

There was a major rebuild of Crewe in 1985, so I do not know how readily a pre-1985 would fit, especially passenger wise.

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