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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 27/03/2024 at 20:08 #155866
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An entertaining (!) timetable, thanks very much for the hardwork that went into it!

I've run into something of a problem. I think this save should be before the problem started.

I had 6E64 run into the Latchford sidings OK. It says it wants to join 0T15 which should emerge. Except, it never does. I can't seem to get 0T15 to emerge.

Then train 6T77 enters. I get a note in the display that it wants to gain a couple of wagons using 9T15. But this also never enters. I also can't persuade that to enter.

I'm attaching a save before and after (in the after, in a rather misguided attempt to get them to enter, I deleted some rules. This was unwise. But I only did this after they were sitting for about 30 minutes not doing what they were supposed to do.

It's Friday, in the sim.

OS: Windows 10 Home 64bit
Loader: SimSig Loader version 5.28; Sim: Simulation Warrington PSB; data version 1.3
License: Dynamic license in use
TT: Warrington PSB 1992-05-11 - 1992-09-27 SX v1.0.0
TT filename: Warrington PSB 1992-05-11 - 1992-09-27 SX.WTT
TT merged: False
Sim upgrade: False
Loader upgrade: False
Save reloaded: True
NTORR_ENABLED active at start
NTORR active at start
NERA active at start
NERA_OLD active at start
NPROBLEMS active at start
NNONE active at start
NNORMAL active at start
NARPLEY_RUNROUND choice 1
NACTON_WARRINGTON choice 2
NGOLBORNE_WINWICK choice 3
NSPRB_GOLBORNE choice 4
NWARRINGTON_WINWICK choice 5
NWARRINGTON_PLATFORM choice 6
NWIGAN_NW_PLATFORM choice 7
NPICK_RANDOM_1 choice 8
NPICK_RANDOM_2 choice 9
NPICK_RANDOM_3 choice 10

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 27/03/2024 at 20:57 #155868
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I have taken a look and from the infomation you have provided it looks like you are using an older version of Warrington Version 1.3, the current version of Warrington is Version 1.5. it looks like this maybe the cause of 0T15 not entering, I would recommend updating to the latest version.

The reason for the train not entering looks like some locations were missing in the older version and they have been added to the latest version, using this timetable on Warrington 1.3 will result in timetable errors which results in the train not entering.

When you update to the latest version of Warrington you will unfortunately will need to restart the timetable.

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 27/03/2024 at 21:00 #155869
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AlexH in post 155866 said:
An entertaining (!) timetable, thanks very much for the hardwork that went into it!

I've run into something of a problem. I think this save should be before the problem started.

I had 6E64 run into the Latchford sidings OK. It says it wants to join 0T15 which should emerge. Except, it never does. I can't seem to get 0T15 to emerge.

Then train 6T77 enters. I get a note in the display that it wants to gain a couple of wagons using 9T15. But this also never enters. I also can't persuade that to enter.

I'm attaching a save before and after (in the after, in a rather misguided attempt to get them to enter, I deleted some rules. This was unwise. But I only did this after they were sitting for about 30 minutes not doing what they were supposed to do.

It's Friday, in the sim.

OS: Windows 10 Home 64bit
Loader: SimSig Loader version 5.28; Sim: Simulation Warrington PSB; data version 1.3
License: Dynamic license in use
TT: Warrington PSB 1992-05-11 - 1992-09-27 SX v1.0.0
TT filename: Warrington PSB 1992-05-11 - 1992-09-27 SX.WTT
TT merged: False
Sim upgrade: False
Loader upgrade: False
Save reloaded: True
NTORR_ENABLED active at start
NTORR active at start
NERA active at start
NERA_OLD active at start
NPROBLEMS active at start
NNONE active at start
NNORMAL active at start
NARPLEY_RUNROUND choice 1
NACTON_WARRINGTON choice 2
NGOLBORNE_WINWICK choice 3
NSPRB_GOLBORNE choice 4
NWARRINGTON_WINWICK choice 5
NWARRINGTON_PLATFORM choice 6
NWIGAN_NW_PLATFORM choice 7
NPICK_RANDOM_1 choice 8
NPICK_RANDOM_2 choice 9
NPICK_RANDOM_3 choice 10
IIRC 6E64 is a set of MGR empties going back to Milford WS. Therefore the loco that joins that train in Latchford Sdgs is 0T19[Warrington Draw Back Loco Cl.31/1] not 0T15 which is the Arpley Sdgs pilot. 6E64 arrives in Latchford Sdgs at 03.41 & is then joined by 0T19/$T.19-B1. In all the times I run this TT the movess associated with 6E64 have always run OK & AFAIK you are the 1st person that's quieried this. Maybe you should restart a new game as you are the 1st person to mention that trains aren't entering to carry out their respected activities & see if the same thing happens again. But its 0T19 that joins 6E64 not 0T15. 0T15 does come from Arpley Sdgs & runs into the Traffic Sdgs before coming out & reversing behind AJ47 with a couple of MGR wagons to join onto T.77's train. I've download the save & will have a go at running it shortly.

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 27/03/2024 at 21:02 #155870
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MarkC in post 155868 said:
I have taken a look and from the infomation you have provided it looks like you are using an older version of Warrington Version 1.3, the current version of Warrington is Version 1.5. it looks like this maybe the cause of 0T15 not entering, I would recommend updating to the latest version.

The reason for the train not entering looks like some locations were missing in the older version and they have been added to the latest version, using this timetable on Warrington 1.3 will result in timetable errors which results in the train not entering.

When you update to the latest version of Warrington you will unfortunately will need to restart the timetable.
OK Mark you've sussed out the potential issue. I hadn't seen your reply until I'd posted what I'd said. Thanks.

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 27/03/2024 at 21:42 #155871
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The problem in my message was with recalling train headcodes (mashing two headcodes together), rather than a more serious with me wanting the wrong trains to join.

It would appear that, despite running the updater after a similar out of date issue occured with a Crewe sim a few weeks ago, I am still out of date. I think I missed the new version by a day or so.

I don't have the stomach to go back and start again now. But thanks, Pascal, nonetheless for a very interesting timetable.

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 27/03/2024 at 22:01 #155872
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I'm at a loss to understand how folks still manage to run out of date sims nowadays as the loader performs an automatic update check every time it is started.

Nice timetable by the way Pascal. Up to about 18.00 with no problems so far.

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 27/03/2024 at 23:34 #155873
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AlexH in post 155871 said:
The problem in my message was with recalling train headcodes (mashing two headcodes together), rather than a more serious with me wanting the wrong trains to join.

It would appear that, despite running the updater after a similar out of date issue occured with a Crewe sim a few weeks ago, I am still out of date. I think I missed the new version by a day or so.

I don't have the stomach to go back and start again now. But thanks, Pascal, nonetheless for a very interesting timetable.
Hopefully at some point Alex you'll give it another go on v1.5 of the Warrington sim & have a trouble free run through of the TT.

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 27/03/2024 at 23:35 #155874
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Dick in post 155872 said:
I'm at a loss to understand how folks still manage to run out of date sims nowadays as the loader performs an automatic update check every time it is started.

Nice timetable by the way Pascal. Up to about 18.00 with no problems so far.
Glad to hear it. What Day of the Week are you playing out of interest?

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 28/03/2024 at 08:21 #155875
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It's Wednesday.
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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 28/03/2024 at 09:30 #155876
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58050 said:
I don't really want to put users off, but a couple of TTs I'm currently working on [Crewe summer 1988 & Doncaster station summer 1991] are more complex than this Warrington one.
Crewe 1988 sounds good. Can't wait for that one.

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 28/03/2024 at 09:31 #155877
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58050 said:
I don't really want to put users off, but a couple of TTs I'm currently working on [Crewe summer 1988 & Doncaster station summer 1991] are more complex than this Warrington one.
Crewe 1988 sounds good. Can't wait for that one.

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 28/03/2024 at 10:45 #155878
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I'm at a loss to understand how folks still manage to run out of date sims nowadays as the loader performs an automatic update check every time it is started.
Weird post? I don't understand the point. You want us to know that you never make a mistake?

I haven't blamed anyone for me not updating the loader. I had recently updated after an issue with Crewe, and didn't believe the odds of there being an update to a sim I wanted to play so soon after another update were particularly significant odds.

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 28/03/2024 at 14:07 #155880
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Not weird at all. Nothing to do with not making mistakes, I just find it strange that as the loader now checks for updates every time it is started that folks still manage to run out of date Sims.
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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 28/03/2024 at 15:24 #155882
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Would someone kindly tell me how long the Reception Roads are at Newton-Le-Willows.
Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Forget that. I've just noticed the lengths on the layout by the Motor-rail terminals.

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 28/03/2024 at 16:14 #155883
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bugsy in post 155882 said:
Would someone kindly tell me how long the Reception Roads are at Newton-Le-Willows.
Thanks in advance.
According to the information provided in sim, they are 340m long


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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 28/03/2024 at 16:15 #155884
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340M


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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 28/03/2024 at 16:17 #155885
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Dick in post 155884 said:
340M

Thanks. Funnily enough, I've just noticed them myself on the layout

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 29/03/2024 at 21:31 #155896
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Only a minor point and easily remedied, but I thought that I'd mention it anyway.

It's just after 15:37 and 2J35 has just left platform 4 at Warrington Bank Quay Station but its TD didn't step up.
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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 29/03/2024 at 21:53 #155897
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bugsy in post 155896 said:
Only a minor point and easily remedied, but I thought that I'd mention it anyway.

It's just after 15:37 and 2J35 has just left platform 4 at Warrington Bank Quay Station but its TD didn't step up.
.....

Did you set the route from 193 to signal 181 or did you set it the white exit arrow?

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 29/03/2024 at 22:15 #155898
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MarkC in post 155897 said:
bugsy in post 155896 said:
Only a minor point and easily remedied, but I thought that I'd mention it anyway.

It's just after 15:37 and 2J35 has just left platform 4 at Warrington Bank Quay Station but its TD didn't step up.
.....

Did you set the route from 193 to signal 181 or did you set it the white exit arrow?
As far as I recall, from the signal. I thought that the white exit arrow was for trains entering the platform, not leaving it.

However. I shall run the sim again from the previous save and see if it can be replicated. This will hopefully be done some time tomorrow morning.

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 30/03/2024 at 11:21 #155903
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Well, there was no replication with 2J35 possibly because it entered the sim 10 minutes later that previously.

Having said that, I'm certain that I didn't use the white arrows which, after checking the Wiki, I found are for shunt moves. Can't remember everything can you? This wasn't a shunt move and anyhow, I always set the onward route from P4 before the train gets to the station. I have never used the white arrows.

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 30/03/2024 at 13:13 #155904
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bugsy in post 155903 said:
Well, there was no replication with 2J35 possibly because it entered the sim 10 minutes later that previously.

Having said that, I'm certain that I didn't use the white arrows which, after checking the Wiki, I found are for shunt moves. Can't remember everything can you? This wasn't a shunt move and anyhow, I always set the onward route from P4 before the train gets to the station. I have never used the white arrows.
Based on testing I have done I think you may have set the route from Signal 193 to the white Shunt exit arrow next to signal 181.

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 30/03/2024 at 13:56 #155905
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MarkC in post 155904 said:
bugsy in post 155903 said:
Well, there was no replication with 2J35 possibly because it entered the sim 10 minutes later that previously.

Having said that, I'm certain that I didn't use the white arrows which, after checking the Wiki, I found are for shunt moves. Can't remember everything can you? This wasn't a shunt move and anyhow, I always set the onward route from P4 before the train gets to the station. I have never used the white arrows.
Based on testing I have done I think you may have set the route from Signal 193 to the white Shunt exit arrow next to signal 181.
Well, if that's beyond doubt then I must have done it inadvertently 😐 I wouldn't have done it deliberately.

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 31/03/2024 at 13:29 #155907
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bugsy in post 155905 said:
MarkC in post 155904 said:
bugsy in post 155903 said:
Well, there was no replication with 2J35 possibly because it entered the sim 10 minutes later that previously.

Having said that, I'm certain that I didn't use the white arrows which, after checking the Wiki, I found are for shunt moves. Can't remember everything can you? This wasn't a shunt move and anyhow, I always set the onward route from P4 before the train gets to the station. I have never used the white arrows.
Based on testing I have done I think you may have set the route from Signal 193 to the white Shunt exit arrow next to signal 181.
Well, if that's beyond doubt then I must have done it inadvertently 😐 I wouldn't have done it deliberately.
Very easily done. I sometimes just put reminders on them to stop myself doing it; maybe not on a Pascal TT as there's a good chance of them needing to be used!

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Warrington Summer 1992 TT 01/04/2024 at 20:29 #155918
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Would someone please confirm that this section of track at Warrington Bank Quays station is electrified or not.
I thought that it was and panicked when I was informed that an electric train had the wrong traction and I immediately went back to a previous save to start again.
If it is the correct traction then I've only lost a few minutes.
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EDIT: I think that I know what happened. The train came via signal 212 and that section of track isn't electrified is it?

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