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| East London Line 06/02/2010 at 17:45 #6473 | |
Ianno
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I believe the support columns under the old platform 1 at Clapham Junction are quite badly corroded and will be expensive to put right. Instead, I think the intention is to split Platform 2 in two with a Cambridge-style arrangement.
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| East London Line 07/02/2010 at 20:17 #6512 | |
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Gloriousnse
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There's an unused centre road there, so i'd wondered whether they would widen the footbridge end of the platform out to give two tracks & two platforms.
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| East London Line 07/02/2010 at 22:23 #6517 | |
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mfcooper
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But they would need the centre road between platforms 2 & 3 to create a Cambridge-like arrangement on patform 2. I also don't think they have the space to widen, especially as the only space they could use to widen is in Platform 1. And if Ian's comments are correct, then that isn't likely to happen! Log in to reply |
| East London Line 08/02/2010 at 18:16 #6531 | |
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Gloriousnse
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I think you're misunderstanding me :) 1. Shorten the existing track serving the existing platform, trains only call at the outer end. 2. Widen the existing platform across the old trackbed so it serves the centre road. You now have two platforms suitable for 4 car LOROL trains there where the existing platform is, and no need for the expensive points/signals/complexity of a centre-crossover arrangement. The existing platform should be extendable at the Wandsworth end if it needs a little more space to make it work.  Simples! 
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| East London Line 08/02/2010 at 20:03 #6535 | |
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Vitesse
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| East London Line 08/02/2010 at 22:46 #6542 | |
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Gloriousnse
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If you read my reply closely: Quote: no need for the expensive points/signals/complexity of a centre-crossover arrangement.Yes you would need to signal the current centre road for passenger use, but you would need to do that with a middle crossover arrangement as well - what I said was with this method you don't need the centre crossover and all that goes with it - saving a minimum of 3 signal heads and a point! Quote: Additionally some pointwork presumably would be required as it would be sensible to be able to take units onto/from the WLL for stock transfers to/from NXG TMD for maintenance purposes as this is where all the 378 fleet maintenance will be carried out.Again, the requirement is no different than if the centre road were used for a middle crossover. Looking at the Waterloo sig you can access both lines you need to from either of those tracks already...if you're planning an intensive service then a couple more points to allow parrallel moves wouldn't go amiss though. Log in to reply |
| East London Line 09/02/2010 at 02:07 #6545 | |
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UKTrainMan
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The centre route is not unused. I have previously see a Class 47 locomotive (47245 to be exact) sitting there on a Saturday. If I remember correctly there was a charter running out of Waterloo on the day so they clearly wanted to store the loco there for the later ECS move. It may be the case that Network Rail do not want to lose the middle road due to this.
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| East London Line 09/02/2010 at 07:04 #6547 | |
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Vitesse
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Like I said, since i only sign platform 2/3/17 I might be wrong but doesnt the middle siding provide the access to Clapham Yard?
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| East London Line 09/02/2010 at 10:12 #6550 | |
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Gloriousnse
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Looking at my old Quail there's a few old sidings served by the middle road there are known as "Kensington sidings", Clapham Yard is the bit in the middle. Yes that track does provide the only access to Kensington Sidings, but they've been out of regular use for years - they were empty when I was a kid going to school through there back in the late 80s! ;) IIRC there were crane/footbridge bits in there recently to do with the accessibility improvements, but that's a temporary thing? Ref loco's, you can put them into Clapham Yard as well.
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| East London Line 09/02/2010 at 10:15 #6551 | |
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jimgos2005
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I just saw 2 test trains running over the bridge near Haggerston Station so am I right in thinking that the signalling has been commisioned so non-passenger trains can now run over these tracks I am also aware that drivers are route learning down the Southern end.
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| East London Line 09/02/2010 at 17:04 #6560 | |
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Vitesse
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Yes, test trains are running
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| East London Line 09/02/2010 at 17:07 #6561 | |
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Vitesse
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Gloriousnse said:Looking at my old Quail there's a few old sidings served by the middle road there are known as "Kensington sidings", Clapham Yard is the bit in the middle. Yes that track does provide the only access to Kensington Sidings, but they've been out of regular use for years - they were empty when I was a kid going to school through there back in the late 80s!Like I said, I dont sign any of that bit so wouldnt know  I'd expect they may want to retain the use of the centre road though, I've had the bobby call me up a few times there and ask if he could put the road back on me letting a light 66 out of there in front. No idea where they go to from there but it certainly wasnt round latchmere reversible
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| East London Line 09/02/2010 at 22:51 #6572 | |
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JamesN
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 Partial Scan from the old SR Quail. Routes available from the Centre Road are Latchmere Reversible (WLL), Longhedge Jn (Wandsworth Common and Victoria Eastern) and the Up Windsor Slow (Waterloo) Log in to reply |
| East London Line 12/02/2010 at 20:24 #6639 | |
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mfcooper
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How about the following... http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4134/claphamjnplat2.png Half of the middle siding is kept, and it only requires one crossover adding (and the odd signal!) Log in to reply |
| East London Line 12/02/2010 at 20:44 #6641 | |
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Vitesse
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| East London Line 16/03/2010 at 21:11 #7322 | |
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benstafford
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Pictures of Depot and Signalling/Control centre here: http://londonreconnections.blogspot.com/2010/03/ell-in-pictures-inside-new-cross-depot.html Log in to reply |
| East London Line 19/03/2010 at 13:51 #7442 | |
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tgb
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Vitesse said:That seems like a sensible way of doing it, just incase its of interest to anyone, the first test-train ran to Crystal Palace on Tuesday, I only took it as far as New Cross Gate as I dont sign the Southern yet so not sure how it got on down there. Would have gone there and back on the front but there were 4 NR blokes jumping on to look at potention GSM-R coverage/registration problems from the platform 5 at NXGHey Vitesse, If you're out route learning on the Southern say Hi, I'm a Horsham driver and am up and down that stretch a lot!! Question for you - As you leave the ELL and join the down London Bridge slow after New Cross there is a small sign ' D Off' and a correspondin 'D On' as you leave the up London Bridge slow onto the new flyover. What are these for ??? Tony Log in to reply |
| East London Line 19/03/2010 at 14:31 #7444 | |
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clive
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"D on" and "D off" usually mean to turn the de-icing equipment on or off.
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| East London Line 20/03/2010 at 00:46 #7492 | |
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Vitesse
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Hi Tony, I was out this week doing roads on afternoons-lates so might well have got a lift with you already but my cab pass isnt valid beyond saturday so got to go up and down on our ones now, I'm sure I was on with a Horsham bloke a day or so ago so might well have been you mate. What Clive said, its de-icing on/off, we've got a few LUL style quirky bits on the route and a few odd rules amendments for the tunnel section of the route. Log in to reply |
| East London Line 27/03/2010 at 16:59 #7892 | |
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TL DRIVER
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Vitesse said:Was out driving over it with a DI earlier, good to see LB are on the ball, got offered a green at New Cross gate today without the lunar, potentially I could have been the first 378 to London Bridge, we're still waiting for a 455/456 to turn up on the flyover Hi Vitesse, how very true about london bridge box, im an fcc driver so we just fly past on the london bridge fasts, only ever used the slows once on the down, and got offered the road to c palace dohh!!!! their other trick is wrong routing us at blue anchor junction and if you take it your new name in the mess is blue anchor w@#@#r, good to see the 378's out and about and running with class 9 headcodes, just a quick question has the centre siding at west croydon in use yet? Log in to reply |
| East London Line 27/03/2010 at 17:15 #7894 | |
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mfcooper
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I was talking to a signaller from Three Bridges at the P'boro meet and he said it was there but not in use. The lack of use caused havoc when they tried the test ELL timetable a few weeks ago. They stopped the attempt after only a couple of hours!
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| East London Line 27/03/2010 at 17:36 #7897 | |
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TL DRIVER
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Thought as much we have not had a brief or yellow peril about it yet, so was just wondering thanks.
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| East London Line 27/03/2010 at 17:45 #7898 | |
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Vitesse
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| East London Line 28/03/2010 at 08:37 #7916 | |
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tgb
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Hi Vitesse Did have one of your guys with me the other week. This de-icing equipment thingy - do you have a switch in the cab then to turn it off and on ? What does it do? We don't have anything like that in the 377's - just an ice-mode selection. We had a brief issued at Horsham yesterday about the commisioning of the West Croydon turnback - though not sure what the date was !! ( you can see I pay strict attention to these damn things lol!) I must have been quite lucky with London Bridge box lately - not had a wrong route for nearly a year! I'll let you know if i manage to be the first to get a 377 or a 455 up onto the flyover !!! I passed one of your 378's at Forest Gate yesterday - it still looked far too shiny and new - you need to dirty them up a bit ! Tony Log in to reply |
| East London Line 28/03/2010 at 10:07 #7920 | |
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Vitesse
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