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Overlap of D298 26/11/2023 at 18:03 #154476
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Just to ask, can you check if the overlap from D308 to D298 on the up Scunthorpe is a track section too long. I'm sure you could run trains up to D298 while trains were arriving into P1 & P3


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Doncaster Station FAQ 26/11/2023 at 20:36 #154483
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JohnMiller in post 154476 said:
Just to ask, can you check if the overlap from D308 to D298 on the up Scunthorpe is a track section too long. I'm sure you could run trains up to D298 while trains were arriving into P1 & P3

The panel photos correlate with the sim, and the route from 300 to 298 does required both T6642 and T6632 clear. The control table for 308 to 298 is missing but I suspect it'll be the same. However, I will ask.

It's also possible it's changed at some point.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 26/11/2023 at 21:49 #154485
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I can confirm that it is possible to signal a train from D308 to D298 and signal a train into 1 or 3 at the same time currently in the PSB.
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Doncaster Station FAQ 26/11/2023 at 23:01 #154486
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dwaynedibley in post 154485 said:
I can confirm that it is possible to signal a train from D308 to D298 and signal a train into 1 or 3 at the same time currently in the PSB.
This may be something only available on the new era, if the overlap swung into platform 0. Might not be available on the older era in the screenshot.

We'll see what Geoff comes back with when he asks.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 27/11/2023 at 16:41 #154494
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The overlap beyond D298 holds 5644 and 5643 T/C on the Thorne slow (2464 points normal). The work to introduce platform 0 did not affect this. When platform 0 was introduced T/Cs 5644 and 5647 towards platform 0 are held with 2464 points in Reverse. It has always been possible to signal a train to D298 and a train into platform 1 or 3 at the same time.
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Doncaster Station FAQ 27/11/2023 at 22:43 #154503
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MarkC in post 154451 said:
francisoldfield in post 154450 said:
Possible bug with 5Z11/12

5Z11 arrived on time and became 5Z12 but despite F2 list showing it departing at 1127 it won't move with the road or anything. It is now 1140 and I haven't had a call saying it will be delayed. Not sure why it won't go.
I have taken a look at your save, the departure time is listed as 1227.
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Doncaster Station FAQ 28/11/2023 at 12:13 #154506
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There seems to be a missing flashing yellows route from D300 - Platform 3. I can confirm this happens IRL but I cant seem to get it to occur on the sim.
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Doncaster Station FAQ 28/11/2023 at 20:00 #154509
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I’m currently working my way through the 2019 timetable and have come across a slight problem shortly after 10.15.
4R79 has recently left the Down Decoy sidings and is heading for Adwick via the DG line.

According to the train’s tt it goes via WS1. However, if I set the route into WS1 from the train's current location (see screenshot), I can’t get to the DG line. I'm going to alter the tt and then set the route for the train via WS2.
But is this me misreading the timetable or is the tt incorrect?

I’ve had a look through the FAQ posts and can’t see anything reported about this.
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Doncaster Station FAQ 28/11/2023 at 20:08 #154510
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Or go via 2WG, just as valid.
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Doncaster Station FAQ 28/11/2023 at 20:09 #154511
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bugsy in post 154509 said:
I’m currently working my way through the 2019 timetable and have come across a slight problem shortly after 10.15.
4R79 has recently left the Down Decoy sidings and is heading for Adwick via the DG line.

According to the train’s tt it goes via WS1. However, if I set the route into WS1 from the train's current location (see screenshot), I can’t get to the DG line. I'm going to alter the tt and then set the route for the train via WS2.
But is this me misreading the timetable or is the tt incorrect?

I’ve had a look through the FAQ posts and can’t see anything reported about this.
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Doncaster Station FAQ 28/11/2023 at 20:10 #154512
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A number of trains that leave platform 1 and head towards Retford, according to the tt, are to be sent via the ESL and not the Down Fast, even though there's no sign of a train approaching Doncaster from the North.

Is there a particular reason for this.

Just wondered.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 28/11/2023 at 23:13 #154521
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bugsy in post 154512 said:
A number of trains that leave platform 1 and head towards Retford, according to the tt, are to be sent via the ESL and not the Down Fast, even though there's no sign of a train approaching Doncaster from the North.

Is there a particular reason for this.

Just wondered.
In the 2019 timetable there a number of services which are overtaken at Doncaster by non stoppers, and use the ESL which you've probably already encountered. The likelyhood is that the trains you've questioned were planned that way for consistency to maintain the timetable pattern, or because it leaves an available non stop path in, Whether utilised or not.

If nothing else is about, there's nothing to stop you running them FL out of Doncaster

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Doncaster Station FAQ 29/11/2023 at 09:24 #154523
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jc92 in post 154521 said:
bugsy in post 154512 said:
A number of trains that leave platform 1 and head towards Retford, according to the tt, are to be sent via the ESL and not the Down Fast, even though there's no sign of a train approaching Doncaster from the North.

Is there a particular reason for this.

Just wondered.
In the 2019 timetable there a number of services which are overtaken at Doncaster by non stoppers, and use the ESL which you've probably already encountered. The likelyhood is that the trains you've questioned were planned that way for consistency to maintain the timetable pattern, or because it leaves an available non stop path in, Whether utilised or not.

If nothing else is about, there's nothing to stop you running them FL out of Doncaster

(Emphasis mine.)

By everything I've ever heard an old-time Great Northern bobby would invariably have done so; they were known for 'courageous' regulating!

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Doncaster Station FAQ 30/11/2023 at 08:34 #154533
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jc92 in post 154358 said:
2W34 in post 154356 said:
Just a quick one, does anyone know the origin of how the “Decoy” yards ended up with that name? Anything to do with confusing the Luftwaffe in WW2 perhaps?
The area was built on marshland (Carrs - hence potteric Carr, black carr, Carr loco, loversall Carr, Carr hill and Bessecarr). The gentry went hunting for ducks and similar game in Decoys (hides) which gave the area its name. The yards predate both world wars
It wasn't the gentry. In the 18th century they wanted to drain the Carrs to use for farming etc. Dutch workers came over and set up duck decoys. Proceeds from the capture and selling of these ducks went to the poor in Doncaster. By the end of the 18th Century the decoys had gone and a lot of the Carrs were drained and became farm land. By the time the railways appeared there was a woodland called Decoy Wood that the railway ran through. Near this location there was a level crossing that was named after the wood called Decoy Bank Gates, probably the start of the railway naming the area Decoy.

Decoy Bank Gates was between D254/256 & D240/242 on the Up East Slow/Up Fast.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 02/12/2023 at 12:15 #154574
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I'm playing the 2019 TT, chained to Donacaster North. 4M25 has entered from Shaftholme. In the North sim, it shows as running through Donacster UF line as its final location. However on entering Doncaster Station sim, the Doncaster location is skipped and the next location is Hexthorpe Jn with no routing information or passing time for Doncaster shown. Through the TT editor I can see the train does indeed match the North sim and agrees on it running through the UF but the sim has somehow skipped it before the train has even reached D814 signal.
There's the right way, the wrong way and the railway.
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Doncaster Station FAQ 02/12/2023 at 12:47 #154575
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Splodge in post 154574 said:
I'm playing the 2019 TT, chained to Donacaster North. 4M25 has entered from Shaftholme. In the North sim, it shows as running through Donacster UF line as its final location. However on entering Doncaster Station sim, the Doncaster location is skipped and the next location is Hexthorpe Jn with no routing information or passing time for Doncaster shown. Through the TT editor I can see the train does indeed match the North sim and agrees on it running through the UF but the sim has somehow skipped it before the train has even reached D814 signal.
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Donny North 2019 TT needs a slight tweak to allow Station 2019 to pick up the correct instance of 4M25. (There's 2).

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Doncaster Station FAQ 03/12/2023 at 21:29 #154584
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Splodge in post 154282 said:
Using the 2019 TT in a 'normal' scenario with lots of freight entering early. None of it is waiting booked time anywhere with TTs stepping up on arrival - this is happening at Doncaster station and various junctions, subsequently no call is made with the option to 'await booked time'.
In what is possibly a similar issue, using the same TT I signalled 1O82 permissively onto 2C58 in platform 4. After 2C58 TRTS'd and left, 1O82 simply moved up to the departure signal (it was after booked departure) and called awaiting with the Doncaster stop missing from the TT, rather than getting TRTS'd.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 03/12/2023 at 23:47 #154586
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The junction speed at loversall carr in the UP direction seems to be incorrect. It should be 70 all the way along the UP East Slow and out of Loversall carr at 70mph also. Trains are slowing to 40.

Thanks.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 03/12/2023 at 23:47 #154587
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The junction speed at loversall carr in the UP direction seems to be incorrect. It should be 70 all the way along the UP East Slow and out of Loversall carr at 70mph also. Trains are slowing to 40.

Thanks.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 04/12/2023 at 00:24 #154589
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chrisdmadd in post 154587 said:
The junction speed at loversall carr in the UP direction seems to be incorrect. It should be 70 all the way along the UP East Slow and out of Loversall carr at 70mph also. Trains are slowing to 40.

Thanks.
Mantis 39903

Cheers Chris

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Doncaster Station FAQ 05/12/2023 at 17:05 #154603
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1A70 has just received an ACOA in the above circumstance - save available from afterwards (time of screenshot), or a snapshot from approx four minutes earlier (0930 for my reference). My suspicion is that having cleared the crossing from D274, 6D76 has caused it but I couldn't say for certain.

Additionally, 4V78 has the same issue in the 2019 TT as I reported earlier this week for 4M25.


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Doncaster Station FAQ 05/12/2023 at 19:24 #154605
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Splodge in post 154603 said:
1A70 has just received an ACOA in the above circumstance - save available from afterwards (time of screenshot), or a snapshot from approx four minutes earlier (0930 for my reference). My suspicion is that having cleared the crossing from D274, 6D76 has caused it but I couldn't say for certain.

Additionally, 4V78 has the same issue in the 2019 TT as I reported earlier this week for 4M25.

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Doncaster Station FAQ 05/12/2023 at 19:27 #154606
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Version 5.28 of the Loader, V1.1 of Doncaster Station, V1.6 of Doncaster South, and a number of timetable updates for all three Doncaster sims have now been pushed to the update server - click Check for Updates. Version history for the sims and the Loader are in their respective places.

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